Storck Fenomalist or Colnago C59?

Zav

any thoughts?

Anonymous

Colnago.

Just 'cos I'm almost as much of a Colnago fanboi as Nicensleazy.

Get the one you prefer the look of.

rc856

Do they both have the same spec?
On looks...they're both on a par for me. 8)

FransJacques

Anything Storck based needs to be taken to WW and in 30 mins you'll have 6 peeps who have test ridden both and own one.

BR = warm, stale beer
WW = champagne

Scrumple

One is nostalgic and Italian, the other is a supreme piece of german engineering.

Bit like comparing an Audi R8 with a Ferrari.

giant_man

The C59 is very very stiff but so progressive, the Colnago would be my choice but I haven't ridden the Storck.

Scrumple

I've seen a Storck built up with super record, and £2.5k carbon tubs, and it was like a feather (Cliff Pratts in Hull - for a customer). £7.5k of bike and rising... It was also 100% stealth - plain black. A stunning bike, and a real one off.

Can't vouch for the C59, but I would absolutely recommend the Storck.

Monty Dog

Whilst Storck have a fine reputation, sadly it is unlikely to become a classic whereas the C59 will be - by many accounts the C59 is the best handling bike out there at the moment.

giant_man

It's got to be the weapon of choice for the mountains that's for sure.

ScottieP

The Colnago C59 definitely and I'm not particularly a Colnago fanboi either (despite Nicensleazy's best efforts)

If I had the budget I would buy a C59 for sure -they look fantastic in the flesh and are supposed to ride beautifully too.

matterai

I know people that are getting each of those bikes. The problem is they won't have them both so probably couldn't compare.

And one loves colnago so he will probably go for that. The other will be amazed with his storck but won't have tried many other bikes to compare it too.

Sheptastic

I would love to have to make that choice!

mrushton

No-one ever waxes lyrical about Storck like they do with Colnago. Are they the same price? That C59 just looks right whereas I've never been convinced about Storck but I'd like the chance to try both. FWIW I suspect a C59 will always be easier to resell

matterai

C59 is more expensive. Frame and fork £3300, storck frame and fork £2500, I think.

Agree re re sale

beeroclock

need I say more?

beancounter

NapoleonD wrote:

Colnago.

Just 'cos I'm almost as much of a Colnago fanboi as Nicensleazy.

[cough]

and beancounter

[C50, CT1, World Cup] [so far]

bc

magliaceleste

From personal experience (owner) I can recommend the C59. A wonderful ride. I agree with Monty Dog's comments

I've never ridden a Storck so can't compare. German reviews always seem to be obsessed with frame stiffness over everything else so it would be interesting to hear about the ride of these bikes.

giant_man

Loved it when i rode it too, phenomonal acceleration and feel, and stiff as hell! Lovely ....

wicked

Scrumple wrote:

One is nostalgic and Italian, the other is a supreme piece of german engineering.

Bit like comparing an Audi R8 with a Ferrari.

The Storck it is then! Much rather have an R8 than a mid life crisis Fiat!

Actually I would have the Colnago though..............

Scrumple

I'll venture an opinion - backed up by the pro's using whatever they are given...

Any bike in this price bracket will do the job. It comes down to what you like, and what makes you happy. Every bike will have pros and cons, and these will be little things rather than major issues.

Much of the value placed on these things is less about the frame than the history and advertising.

Seriously, none of these bikes will make you any better at what you do on them (relative to the other).

Buy what makes YOU happy. Also, what makes others happy too - you will want your mates to be impressed. Bit like buying aftershave - all about taste, and what works for you and those close!

Wheelspinner

EPS.

C59 is sensational for twitchy pro-racers who need the sharpest tool in the box. EPS is the best choice for everyone else.

Storck? May be a great bike, but it sounds like something Specialized would build for the geek market. "S-Dork" to go with the "S-Works" cranks fitted with "SRam"..

inseine

I've always found Colnagos super stable, how did you find the C59 'twitchy'?

Wheelspinner

inseine wrote:

I've always found Colnagos super stable, how did you find the C59 'twitchy'?

I own an E1, which indeed has wonderfully stable handling. I also have a Pinarello Paris which is a much quicker steering thing, with brilliant precision. Rode an EPS which was fabulous, like a slimmed down and (much) tightened up version of the E1, utterly predictable and balanced everywhere, under any circumstances. The C59 was (to me) more like the Pinarello style - you think about changing direction and it's already happened. Given how my mind wanders about sometimes, that made for interesting riding..

magliaceleste

How does that work then, the angles and sizes on the C59 and EPS are exactly the same?

IME the C59 is incredibly stable...

Brian B

Both totally fantastic bikes but having owned(owning) a Storck Scenario 0.9 and 1.1 I would go with the Storck obviously. There so stiff its not for the people who want a comfy ride. Nothing like a Spesh and more like a Canyon than anything else in terms of handling.

The fenomolist is heralded to be unequaled in stiffness vs weight = ideal for hills. Phone Wally at Poshbikes.com and be prepared for 30mins of chat about Storck bikes if you are interested.

I like the look of this

http://www.storck-bicycle.de/en/web-anz ... bjekt=Road Bikes

Wheelspinner

magliaceleste wrote:

How does that work then, the angles and sizes on the C59 and EPS are exactly the same?

IME the C59 is incredibly stable...

Great, so "in your experience the C59 is incredibly stable". Congratulations. Woohoo.
This clearly means that I am a complete f**kwit who has no clue and my opinion is entirely wrong and yours is right and just because Colnago apparently spent 4 YEARS (their words) designing and developing the C59, that because it is identical dimensionally to the EPS it must therefore not be even a tiny bit different at all in handling and behaviour.

So Einstein, why did they bother?

What is it with forum people who cannot figure out that other people might have a different opinion, and may choose to express that?

Rant over.

Scrumple

Think you are all proving my point - it is a matter of opinion at this level, with little in it.

giant_man

They are different bikes both in name AND feel. The C59 is as stiff as hell and gives nothing away power wise. The EPS is very nice but it is different.

Both bikes I would happily ride all day because of the comfort they give you. Quality frames.

magliaceleste

Wheelspinner wrote:

magliaceleste wrote:

How does that work then, the angles and sizes on the C59 and EPS are exactly the same?

IME the C59 is incredibly stable...

Great, so "in your experience the C59 is incredibly stable". Congratulations. Woohoo.
This clearly means that I am a complete f**kwit who has no clue and my opinion is entirely wrong and yours is right and just because Colnago apparently spent 4 YEARS (their words) designing and developing the C59, that because it is identical dimensionally to the EPS it must therefore not be even a tiny bit different at all in handling and behaviour.

So Einstein, why did they bother?

What is it with forum people who cannot figure out that other people might have a different opinion, and may choose to express that?

Rant over.

Wow, do you always overreact like this when someone asks a question?

As a C59 owner since August, yes in my experience.

My understanding is that the main development is for internal cable routing without compromising the structure. Also improved stiffness and comfort (hence the different back end from the EPS).

In fact when I put the C59 frame next to the EPS I had briefly, they shared a number of features. The shaped tubing quite different of course and is bound to help change the ride characteristics.

So the ride characteristics are a little different, but I don't believe the handling is significantly. It's not like the angles have suddenly been sharpened up or slackend off. That is my opinion. However I am interested to hear other views.

I have heard that EPS will be dropped from the 2012 range, so if the OP is interested, might want to get one now.

Instead of a reasoned debate you just ranted. I never even suggested that your opinion was invalid or that you are a f**kwit, though you've done a good job of the latter yourself.

Gazzetta67

If you choose the Colnago - make sure you honour it and fit Campag Chorus/Record/Super record - Not that jap crap or Meccano stuff called SRAM.

Wheelspinner

magliaceleste wrote:

Wow, do you always overreact like this when someone asks a question?

Sometimes, it's a talent I have, yes.

magliaceleste wrote:

Instead of a reasoned debate you just ranted.

In your earlier post, I didn't see much reasoned debate.

magliaceleste wrote:

How does that work then, the angles and sizes on the C59 and EPS are exactly the same?

Perhaps I read it the wrong way.

magliaceleste wrote:

The shaped tubing quite different of course and is bound to help change the ride characteristics......
So the ride characteristics are a little different, but I don't believe the handling is significantly.....

This does read more like reasoned debate. The handling is different, presumably entirely due to the material construction since as you say, the dimensions are the same. If you built an identically shaped frame from, say, lead, it would handle entirely differently, no?

Incidentally to clarify, I did not say the C59 was a bad handling twitchy thing. It isn't, it's fantastic. I did say it is designed for "twitchy pro-racers", those types who can take advantage of the incremental change in stiffness and snappier responses, which clearly isn't me. At this level of frame, differences are tiny, and often exaggerated to make a distinction. For this money, if it was my money anyway, I'd buy the EPS every time, since that is only 5 times better than my ability will ever need, instead of the 5.1 times better that the C59 is.