Help with new all year round training built.

cal_stewart
cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
edited August 2012 in Road buying advice
Hi All,

Its time for a new training bike and I'm around 90% made up on parts etc. Just would like any advice, input on parts.

The bike will be my everyday ride, with the aim of lasting me 12 years. The first aim is to do the tour of flanders sportive this year on it.(260km route) and the PR in future. Money is not a issue as I'm tax free but don't what the over spec. Drivetrain most be campag 11sp as want to be able to interchange wheels with my canyon. Bodyweight 80-85kg

Bob Jackson frame (fitting booked) 953 tubing with steel forks or carbon forks?
Wheels: Handbuilt Record on Open Pros
Groupset: Athena Stainless or Carbon, Chorus?
Parts: 3T Pro
Seat: Sella Italia SLR (same as canyon but looking at the flow model with padding)
Tyres: Open Paves 24mm

Any helpful advice would be good but i think i'm pretty much there.

cheers cal
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Comments

  • I've heard that the flange spacing on Record hubs makes a reliable rear wheel difficult for bigger riders (the difference between drive side and non-driveside bracing angles and therefore tension). It may be worthwhile getting an assymetric rear rim (not mavic then) to minimise that issue - especially at your weight. Talk to a good wheel builder.

    If the bike is a keeper for years are you speccing it for flexibility (mudguard and big tyre clearance, rack mounts) or as a 'race' bike? For Paris Roubaix it would be good to have space for 28c tyres as an option. Friends of mine have done it on the 24mm Paves this year in the rain though - it'll never be comfortable!

    Carbon forks will save a lot of weight but steel forks might give a look you prefer - choice is yours really. Pretty much the same with groupsets - buy what you like the look of as the specs are not appreciably different across those ranges.
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    I would go for carbon forks - unless you're planning of doing some really rough touring, they're plenty strong enough and worth the weight saving. Your builder should be able to advise on a fork that matches your needs.

    For P-Rx and to a lesser extend Flanders, being able to fit 25mm or even 28mm tyres is a big plus. The clearance mean you can fit mudguards with narrower tyres - this may limit your choice of brakes i.e. Campagnolo unlikely to fit.

    Everything else comes down to personal preference.

    FWIW Planet-X doing some killer deals on Athena grouppos for £500!
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • Get the 953 frame finished with bare metal then you can hang black/carbon parts off it. Should look great!

    BTW that set-up will soak up Flanders and PR no problem
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  • EwanR
    EwanR Posts: 16
    I've got a very similar bike and am rather happy with it

    Dave Yates 853 frame + Columbus minimal fork

    Chorus 11sp drivetrain

    Record hubs + CXP33 rims

    Brooks swift saddle

    The bike handles rough terrain very well and is a pleasure to ride. There's clearance for 25mm tyres if needed.

    In terms of good carbon forks to complement a steel frame then the choice is either the Columbus Minimal or the very expensive THM Carbones Scapula. They are the only two with "classical" lines.

    As a steel fork will only be £150 or so then I'd suggest ordering one even if initially you run a carbon fork. It provides a bit of future proofing as well.

    The only other option for wheels would be to use the Hope road hubs as they do a Campagnolo freehub and are better suited to wet conditions than the records. I may well build up a set like this.

    Ewan
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    cheers for the replys.

    prob going to go for a 953 luggless matte black with white decals and steel forks with mudguard eyes as the money i'll save over the the bare metal finish as the cost is around £400. With the money I'm thinking of splash out on a pair edge 2.0 fork for summertime i.e when the mudguards come off.

    On the wheel front i'm thinking of going some Ambrosio Nemesis 'reine du nord' on Ambrosio Evo sealed hubs from wheelsmith for £304. It means a switch to tubs. Which I'm still unsure about.

    Groupset is still going to be campy 11sp but I might go for a third party crank ie rotor 3d.

    any thoughts on the build would helpfully.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Stick with the Alloy Athena Crankset...
  • I've still to fit it - but I've recently bought a Rotor 3D crankset and I'm very impressed with the quality and the lightness!
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  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    any reason for the alloy crankset as looking more to the campag carbon cranksets as the frame is more or less going to be matte black.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I just think for the heavy abuse your going to be giving it an alloy one would be a better bet. I was also thinking aesthetics, the alloy athena would look reet classy (said in a strong Birmingham accent) on a steel matte black frame.

    However tbh you won't go wrong with any of your options IMO!
  • any reason for the alloy crankset as looking more to the campag carbon cranksets as the frame is more or less going to be matte black.


    I've bought the Rotor to go on my TT bike. I'm interested in the gains to be made from the Q ring system. I will be buying some extra rings for my other bikes to get used to this new system.

    TBH I still prefer the aesthetics of Campag chainsets - but there's no denying the quality of the Rotor stuff
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I do fancy a go with the Q rings...
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    hear what you stay about the alloy crankset. Its the look of the crankset. Alloy on a black frameset. Thinking all black drivetrain to go with the black frame..
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  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    Q rings sound good but 150 a pair is a bit much
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    I like the contast... e.g.

    YBCLGUERRECBLK_P1.jpg

    However this is personal opinion of course!!
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    To be honest was thinking of nicking the look of this ww rob english build.

    http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum ... h&start=75
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  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    drivetrain done.

    485 for athena carbon groupset was to good to turn down.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,665
    Kewl!
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    this thing is starting to grow legs, get fitted on monday so its time to make my mind up.

    so

    953 frame lugless with mudguard eyes on rear, in matt black, white graphics. Now for the mad bit sent an email to them today as i'm 100% sure in one of there pics there is a frame with a ISP and if so i'm having one and sticking this on the end.

    www.tune.de/index.php?option=com_conten ... 68&lang=de

    I'm going for 2 pairs of forks

    953 with mudguard eyes and good clearance for winter and the rough stuff and a pair of edge/enve 2.0 forks for summer.

    Prob all change monday when i'm there
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  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    Fitting Done

    Bob Jacksons were very helpfully as i had to rebook for the day after as the uk can't handle a few inches of snow(buy winter tyres like the rest of europe) and the motorways back up.

    Gone for Met Black which is more a Charcoal colour as I was told that a matt finish will chip easily. All details on the frame will be in white, had to leave the shop before I changed my mind as they had a bike in with gold details and it was sexy but my canyon already has this finish.

    The Frame is 953 with Compact Geo and to this end is fillet braised as lugs are fixed angle. 1 1/8 headtube with the ability the run modern race forks if I so wish. There is internal rear brake route, pump pin and a chain hanger on the rear dropouts and the dropouts wrap around the seattube with BJ stamped into them. The bottle mounts with have sexy little diamond base plates highlighted in white.

    The Frame is able to run 28mm's with mudflaps fitted.

    The company that imports edge into the uk has offered me a small discount if i buy stem, fork and seatpost from them. But with another kid on the way that will go on hold.

    From a bloke who has only ever ridden branded bikes the beauty of these handmade frames has to be seen. The only frames i've seen that compare are lugged colongo's.

    As for parts they are going to fit a Hope Headset( gone for this as the extra money over the record will prob be worth it for winter) for me as this is the only part of the build I don't fancy doing.

    I'm going to fit the good carbon ritchey bar from the canyon that I replaced with 3t ergonovas.

    So it just the stem, seatpost, seat and wheels to buy.

    The Stem was going to use the 3T from the trek but will still need to use the trek til build is completed so was thinking of a Deda Zero 1 stem in black as £13 at shiny is a good price for a nice looking stem. Does anyone use one as It will be a 130mm stem and if it is flexi I don't want it. Plus i can build it bike with the Deda and swap it with the 3T in 5 mins.

    The Seatpost is the biggest headache as i don't know if a carbon one is worth over alloy on a steel frame. Plus as a tart if i go alloy its the 3T post with matching stem and if its carbon it will be Deda with sum white and red details. HELP

    Seat is Sella Italia SLR kit cabio as i get on with the one on my canyon and do believe the carbon base and rail do add to the comfort. And as the it works for me I don't think I'll price extra for the flow model.

    Wheels will 90% come from bob jacksons to extralite's on black plain spokes and record hubs.

    Finally need help with long drop brakes as i dont think the campangs will fit. R650 ok? or is there any powerful black braksets about.

    cheers cal
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  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    Seat done

    Selle Italia SLR Teknologika Flow 63% off at px.

    looks like it will be the alloy 3t post for the black and white look.
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  • Beatmaker
    Beatmaker Posts: 1,092
    Holy thread resurrection! I would love to see pics of this build if you have them, currently debating whether or not to go for a 953 frame and Bob Jackson is on a short list of three builders.
  • cal_stewart
    cal_stewart Posts: 1,840
    had to bin build it as they had problem's getting the 953 in and I had been waiting over the 6mths and a up coming trip aboard with work at the time made the project null and void. Apart for that they where great, they kept me informed of the delays and returned the deposit without question because of the delay. Shame as the bikes in the shop where lovely.
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  • Beatmaker
    Beatmaker Posts: 1,092
    What a shame. Thanks for the update Cal.