2010 Orange p7 too heavy!! should i sell it?

davbay

Hi I recently bought a 2010 Orange P7.

Its a fab bike for the rough stuff i.e Llandegla, Cannock chase however its bloody heavy! I read in Which MTB that bikes for 2010 had not changed much other than shed weight with better components.

Its my 1st MTB and after a day riding fairly flat olod railway lines in the peaks I was disappointed at how sluggish and heavy it was. Tyres weren't soft either.

I'm wondering whether I should sell it and go for a cheaper lighter - less stressful bike such as Orange G3 or a Halfords carrera Fury.

Any opinions on what it would be worth. Its inammaculate condition lovingly cleaned and GT85'd!

Cheers.

supersonic

The P7 frame has actually got heavier to meet new rgs, and is a whopping 6lbs.

Have a look atthe Baordman Pro if you want a lighter, mor XC oriented ride.

butcher of bakersfield

The P7s hold their value very well, which is a good thing if you're planning on selling it - though you're undoubtedly going to lose out if you've only ridden it a few times..

The Fury won't be any better. It's a beefy all mountain bike, and a budget one at that. Don't get me wrong, it's a great bike (I have one, and I love it!), but it's going to feel no quicker than the P7.

As Sonic says, the Boardman is much more XC oriented, and very good value for money. It'll be a good few pounds lighter than the P7, and better geometry for getting some speed up.

Tyres can make a big difference though. I had to swap the back one on my Fury because it felt like glue. If you're really not happy with the Orange though, swap it.

rockmonkeysc

Try some XC tyres before giving up with it. I had a test ride on one and seem to remember that the tyres are quite fat & nobbly.
P7 is a nice bike, don't give up too soon, there has to be a good reason why they are a classic design that has stayed in production for so many years.

tptvmbircn

you're happy with it, sell and make a loss and potentially buy something worse. Like what has been mentioned mod your bike what you want it to do or make better in you're opinion then if it's totally naff look to sell etc but 9 times out of ten you like it even more once the TLC has kicked in

owen908

Iv'e owned a P7 and have regretted selling the bike. You probably wont find a more surefooted bike than the P7. It's a blast singletrack and will last for years and hauling its lardy ass uphill will only make you stronger. After 6 months of that, swap to a 25 pound hartail and youll fly uphill!

davbay

Cheers guys,

I do like the bike and have thought about some slimmer more XC tyres. Will give that a go and see then before I decide to sell.

Thanks.

supersonic

The Fury won't be any better. It's a beefy all mountain bike, and a budget one at that. Don't get me wrong, it's a great bike (I have one, and I love it!), but it's going to feel no quicker than the P7

I think it will though! Lighter,,, geo is a personal thing, but the Fury will always be lighter.

butcher of bakersfield

supersonic wrote:

The Fury won't be any better. It's a beefy all mountain bike, and a budget one at that. Don't get me wrong, it's a great bike (I have one, and I love it!), but it's going to feel no quicker than the P7

I think it will though! Lighter,,, geo is a personal thing, but the Fury will always be lighter.

Maybe the new one with the Epicon Forks, I don't know. But the Toras on mine weigh close to quarter of a tonne, I'm sure. The missuses Vulcan is lighter.

When I got it, it felt slowww. It did for months. Swapped the back tyre with something I had lying around and it improved dramatically.

uk_stretch

Go for the tyre change first - check out the reviews and plumb for a fast rolling XC tyre.

I ride a blinged(ish) Scott Scale that weighs around 22lb - put the wrong tyres on it and it feels heavy and sluggish. You're going to struggle with all mountain tyres when all you need is a decent semi slick - but there are plenty of compromise options that work fine.

Pedalling - I don't notice my bike feeling any quicker when my water bottle is empty or full and that is getting on for a 2lb difference. I recently changed wheelset and dropped about 300g - the only time I notice is acceleration - wouldn't know once up to speed.

And be aware, light bikes can be very twitchy in rough suff :twisted:

Good luck!

101_North

Just built a 2010 frame up this week and so far so good. It's a cracking bike on the rough stuff and so far it's been grand on my commute as well. It does weight a bit (only running Toras at the minute and they weight as much as a bike themselves!!!!) but I don't find it prohibitive. I can easily keep up with the group on the climbs and on the trails the P7 is superb. I'm not bothered about the weight to be honest. A year ago I was dragging an extra 2.5 stone around!!!.

If you stick with it I'm sure you'll be pleased although I agree that there are some areas where you could possibly make some quick improvements - like tyres which was mentioned.

It's a fantastic looking bike

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Splottboy

Azonic AZ7 frame, £339.

Mine is 1.3kg on my electronic scales, 16.5 ins frame.

Matt black, very stealth, cool as Steve McQueens bollocks...

Radioactiveman

I think you should give the frame away it is a big heavy lump.

I will PM you my details so I can recycle it for you

The Northern Monkey

Just MTFU!

If you wanted a lightweight XC bike then you have made a rather bad purchase!

Northwind

You could mess around with tyres etc, but yep, despite what fanboys will tell you it's a very overweight frame and the rest of the kit's not light either. Still decent value as a full bike IMO but it's never going to be light, or very fast. They do keep their value well though.

101_North

Doh! :oops:

101_North

Northwind wrote:

You could mess around with tyres etc, but yep, despite what fanboys will tell you it's a very overweight frame and the rest of the kit's not light either. Still decent value as a full bike IMO but it's never going to be light, or very fast. They do keep their value well though.

Not sure I'm a 'fanboy' yet as I've only just bought the thing but I'm quite happy to admit that it weights a tonne

It does feel good on the trail though, Bottom line is that nobody who buys it should be surprised by the weight if they've done their research.

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supersonic

Cotic soul though is the same price yet is a whopping 1.5lbs lighter. I just expect at the p7 price it should be 853 or some other high end steel so the weight can be dropped.

uk_stretch

But is the person who bought a P7 and finds it "heavy" going to find a Cotic Soul any better - I doubt it. 1.5lbs? A decent sized botle of water?

The P7 is bought. Anyone with half decent fitness should be able to get comfortable on it - it's not that heavy and allegedly it rides well. Or if they have that much cash just lying about - can I have some please?

A Cannondale Flash would only be 950g, dump steel buy carbon:P - just kidding.

supersonic

1.5lbs is a lot on a hardtail frame really. Given the spec of the p7 frame it should be the same price of the OnOnes really, or around 200 quid. Maybe you are paying for premium branding, but when WMB tested the P7, who I write for, we reached the same conclusions.

BUT... if you like it, that is what matters.

uk_stretch

Yup 1.5lbs is a lot - and £200 is a lot of extra cash - but that info is only really useful before you buy the bike. I'm on a Scale 30 myself - climbs great but frisky on the way down.

I think the on-ones are good value - but the finising is not even close to the Orange on the steel frames - and the P7is prettier IMO The P7is a great bike.

If the bike has a relatively chunky tire (like the Maxxis Advantage that at least some P7s are shipped with) surely it is worth a punt at some all round XC tires (eg Panaracer XC FirePro or similar) before taking a bath on the original purchase and start again?

(and before you ask - I don't ride the Panaracers either...)

The Northern Monkey

supersonic wrote:

1.5lbs is a lot on a hardtail frame really. Given the spec of the p7 frame it should be the same price of the OnOnes really, or around 200 quid. Maybe you are paying for premium branding, but when WMB tested the P7, who I write for, we reached the same conclusions.

BUT... if you like it, that is what matters.

Explain? There's quite a lot of differences between the P7 and the 456...

stuisnew

Bit late on this thread but really...6lb in weight? I really can't get over that. It sounds like the beginning of a WMB test for a £300 complete bike!

I'm sure it rides well enough so I'm not commenting on it, just the fact that is a heck of a heft for the price.

supersonic

The Northern Monkey wrote:

supersonic wrote:

1.5lbs is a lot on a hardtail frame really. Given the spec of the p7 frame it should be the same price of the OnOnes really, or around 200 quid. Maybe you are paying for premium branding, but when WMB tested the P7, who I write for, we reached the same conclusions.

BUT... if you like it, that is what matters.

Explain? There's quite a lot of differences between the P7 and the 456...

They are both roughly aimed at the same group ie long travel hardtail, are steel, and similar geometry. But one weighs half a pound more and costs 3x the amount. Most 4-500 quid frames are top end steel.

The Northern Monkey

supersonic wrote:

The Northern Monkey wrote:

supersonic wrote:

1.5lbs is a lot on a hardtail frame really. Given the spec of the p7 frame it should be the same price of the OnOnes really, or around 200 quid. Maybe you are paying for premium branding, but when WMB tested the P7, who I write for, we reached the same conclusions.

BUT... if you like it, that is what matters.

Explain? There's quite a lot of differences between the P7 and the 456...

They are both roughly aimed at the same group ie long travel hardtail, are steel, and similar geometry. But one weighs half a pound more and costs 3x the amount. Most 4-500 quid frames are top end steel.

Theres a lot more than just the tubes and the cost.... I know theres a lot of hate on here for the P7 due to its weight/cost... and yea I don't think the £450 price tag for the frame is justified.... but its miles ahead of a bloody 456.

supersonic

Why is it?

The Northern Monkey

the ride for starters.

rockmonkeysc

Dont be too quick to judge a new bike. I was ready to put my Trance X on ebay after a couple days, now I have learnt to ride it better, changed my style & I love it.
Get out & do some miles, at the very worst you have got some very good components, you could just buy a lighter frame for a few hundred pounds & build something lighter and give me the Orange frame!

supersonic

The Northern Monkey wrote:

the ride for starters.

In what way? A lot of that is subjective. But as I said, if you like it and can afford it then go for it. Many praise the 456 too for its 'ride'. And I think the Cotic Soul feels better than them both.

The Northern Monkey

rider feedback... the 456 is too stiff for an all day trail bike. A bit like my NS was.....

The rear stays on a P7 are a work of art, i've no idea how they get rid of as much trail buzz as they do while keeping me in full control of the rear.

If the 456 could do that for £150 then i'd chuck away the P7 and get one, but it can't so I won't.

This may be because i'm a bigger bloke? I'm not sure. The weight is noticeable on climbs, that is true... but it just floats along technical trails.

Its definitely no XC bike though!

supersonic

You'd probably love the cotic then!

I will say though that the P7 as a full build looks to be better value as that extra 600 quid is buying a lot of kit.