Homebew Energy drinks

willbevan
willbevan Posts: 1,241
edited June 2010 in Road beginners
Hi all,

Been reading up on homebrew Energy drinks and i'm going to give it a go and buy the ingredients such as fructose etc and mix it all up.

Now my question is though...

Do people usually mix it up on bulk, or put the correct weight of the individual components straight into a drinks bottle?.

Would prefer to mix up say a kg or two at a time, but how do you mix it so you have a very high % of chance that a scoop you take out will have the amoutn of fructose, Maltodextrin, electolytes et el that you have mixed in?

Any general input from people that do homebrew would be appriciated as well

Cheers

Will
Road - BTwin Sport 2 16s
MTB - Trek Fuel 80
TT - Echelon

http://www.rossonwye.cyclists.co.uk/

Comments

  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    Mix it up in bulk, well mixed powders will be just as mixed as commercial powders. Exact ratios really don't make a jot of difference anyway.
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • alp777
    alp777 Posts: 211
    Good question Will, i make my own thanks to jibberjims website and asked myself the same question. Initially i mixed it all into an old 2.5kg sis bottle but was convinced i was getting a 2:1 ratio of matlodextrin:frucose so now i use a scoop, 2 scoops of malto to one fructose and half a teaspoon of electrolyte powder when the weather is on the warm side. Might take a little longer to prepare but at least i know exactly what is going into my bottle.
  • Headhuunter
    Headhuunter Posts: 6,494
    I make my own. Bought maltodextrin, electrolyte salts and choline from myprotein. I tend to just stick a few scoops of maltodextrin in the bottle with a quarter of a teaspoon of salts and choline. Most commercially available powders like Torq etc are almost 100% maltodextrin with some sweetener and flavouring anyway.
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  • willbevan
    willbevan Posts: 1,241
    cheers guys, it is the http://jibbering.com/sports/drinks.html site I was looking at as well.

    Didn't realise Jim you were on the forums here, really appriciated the article that I found there its whats got me going to get me going.

    How do you make well mixed powder, I knwo it a silly question? If all I have is a left over tub from High5 that holds a few KGs, is it just chuck it in and shake?

    May to start with mix them as required, as that way I can experiment but ideally mix in bulb moving forwards!
    Road - BTwin Sport 2 16s
    MTB - Trek Fuel 80
    TT - Echelon

    http://www.rossonwye.cyclists.co.uk/
  • Headhuunter
    Headhuunter Posts: 6,494
    willbevan wrote:
    cheers guys, it is the http://jibbering.com/sports/drinks.html site I was looking at as well.

    Didn't realise Jim you were on the forums here, really appriciated the article that I found there its whats got me going to get me going.

    How do you make well mixed powder, I knwo it a silly question? If all I have is a left over tub from High5 that holds a few KGs, is it just chuck it in and shake?

    May to start with mix them as required, as that way I can experiment but ideally mix in bulb moving forwards!

    Personally, I mix specifically per bottle rather than mix in bulk
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  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    willbevan wrote:
    How do you make well mixed powder, I knwo it a silly question? If all I have is a left over tub from High5 that holds a few KGs, is it just chuck it in and shake?

    Yep, don't fill it completely, so there's plenty of room to move around, and put it in a bit at a time from each (e.g. alternate scoops, or alternate 100grams at a time on a scale or whatever) I find they always mix well.
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • willbevan
    willbevan Posts: 1,241
    i'm looking at the label of my favorite energy drink, High5 4:1 and wondering if anyone can give me some input.

    Per 100g

    Protein 19g
    Carbs
    which are sugar 33g
    which are Maltodextrin 44g


    1. Now the fructose that High5 advertise as being in there, I presume thats the plan sugar being reported?

    2. I looked up the figures per kg for malatodextrin, fructose and soy protein (from the products available on my protein)... and put together what I think will

    be a rough equivelent and would some feedback to see if I've done it right, as its seems to have a high content of fructose


    Anyway totals per 100g of the products
    Malatodextrin - 94g per 100g of sugar
    Fructose - 98g per 100g of sugar
    Soy Protein - 88g per 100g of protein.


    My suggested reciepe:

    Per 1kg

    460g of Maltoxdextrin - provides 432g
    335g of Fructose - provides 328g
    205g of soy protein - 180g


    Ends up giving almost the same mix I think as the high5
    43.2g of sugar from maltodextrin
    32.8g of sugar via fructose (presume this is the sugars listed on the high5 lavel)
    18g of protein.

    So a little lower on everything per 100g, but I don't think much.

    Does that look right to the people that do home brew


    3. Last question, I use the High5 4:1 for everything from my 3-4 steady rides, to time trials and intervals. After reading about fructose being slow release energy, is there much benefit in using products with fructose for short spurts like an hour of intervals or a 10mi or 25mi TT (I realise everyone is unqie). Reason being im trying to reduce the cost of energy drinks hence doing homebrew and looking at that it seems excessive?

    Cheers

    Will
    Road - BTwin Sport 2 16s
    MTB - Trek Fuel 80
    TT - Echelon

    http://www.rossonwye.cyclists.co.uk/
  • redjeepǃ
    redjeepǃ Posts: 531
    Your numbers look about right. From the High5 webpage (per 100g) they say:

    Protein 20g
    Carbs 77g
    of which:

    Sugars 28g
    Malto 49g

    and then some electrolytes and presumably flavour which make up the remaining 3g. I think if you make it up to this concentration you'll be close enough. It's way too earlier to look through your recipes and check they're the correct ratios !

    I'd also assumed that the sugars were fructose.

    The best way to see if they're effective on your TT's is probably to give it a lgo and see if they have any affect. I know that I did a long sportive last Sunday and was much more focussed on nutrition than ever before and didn't fade after 100km like I have in the past.

    I used 3 bottles, each with 75g of homebrew 2:1 Malto: Fructose over 200km plus about 6 gels and various other things (including real food :shock: ).
  • redjeepǃ
    redjeepǃ Posts: 531
    I meant to add my thanks to Jim for all the helpful stuff on his page. :D
  • Headhuunter
    Headhuunter Posts: 6,494
    I've never added fructose to my drinks and I must admit, on longer, harder rides I sometimes find that I am flying at the start, but my energy levels drop off quite dramatically towards the end. Perhaps I should get some of that... Getting the energy input right on faster, longer rides is quite hard I find.
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  • willbevan
    willbevan Posts: 1,241
    cheers chaps, roll on pay day :)
    Road - BTwin Sport 2 16s
    MTB - Trek Fuel 80
    TT - Echelon

    http://www.rossonwye.cyclists.co.uk/
  • Splottboy
    Splottboy Posts: 3,695
    I thought it was gonna be all about Milk and Honey, as I misread it as Hebrew drinks.
  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    I'm interested in doing this, but insist (if POSSIBLE) that the stuff is tooth frienndly and wont rot the nashers!

    I want energy, but not at the expense of stumps for teeth.
  • jibberjim
    jibberjim Posts: 2,810
    Scrumple wrote:
    I'm interested in doing this, but insist (if POSSIBLE) that the stuff is tooth frienndly and wont rot the nashers!

    I want energy, but not at the expense of stumps for teeth.

    Essentially all carbohydrates can be broken down in the mouth by bacteria and all, from potatoes to sugar can promote tooth damage. Not eating is your option for that.

    Using Maltodextrin or Palatinose or something that is broken down less my the main mouth bacteria can limit the losses, there's not really anything much you can do.
    Jibbering Sports Stuff: http://jibbering.com/sports/
  • Scrumple
    Scrumple Posts: 2,665
    the enzyme in saliva converts the complex sugars into simple sugers...

    The ph value of the mouth is key, and most simple sugars can create acid, as well as bonding to the teeth.

    I'm just after a balanced recepie to avoid simple sugars yet still provide a more balanced hit with some instat energy.

    As for using sugar free drinks, I'd rather lick my own.... The sweetners are vile.
  • redjeepǃ
    redjeepǃ Posts: 531
    Scrumple wrote:

    As for using sugar free drinks, I'd rather lick my own.... The sweetners are vile.

    That'd be some trick whilst riding a bike, you must be very flexible.

    I agree about the sweetners. Aspartame gives me savage headaches.
  • Limburger
    Limburger Posts: 346
    I tried putting some soluble vitamins in my bidon to ward off cramps....... It's stripped the anodising of my cages. :shock:









    .... So I buy new cages.
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  • redjeepǃ
    redjeepǃ Posts: 531
    I started taking magnesium tablets a few weeks ago (1 per day) and since then no cramps.

    I do add a little salt to my drinks, but that didn't always prevent them.
  • NDawn
    NDawn Posts: 238
    Wow I was buying Torq stuff, will give this a go.

    I was thinking for my empty Torq (1.5kg) so will do a 1KG mix. The Torq recipe at the bottom of Jims site (great site btw thanks you for sharing).

    1KG Maltodextrin
    5g Electrolyte

    Then say 150-200ml of fruit juice then 550ml of water + 4 scoops.

    Does this sound OK? I sweat a lot even in cool weather and often lose loads of salts, is the electrolyte level ok or does it need more? I might add a little fructose for my road bike when I do longer rides, typically 20 on my MTB and double/triple that on the road.

    For my 3L camelback I'll have

    750ml fruit juice then 2.25litre of water then 15 scoops of the powder.