Chain & WD40

CarleyB
CarleyB Posts: 475
edited June 2010 in Road beginners
gentleman across the road was chatting to me about my bike. He said not to bother lubing my chain and just to clean it after every ride with wd40..

any thoughts?
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  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
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  • CarleyB
    CarleyB Posts: 475
    Ooooooo
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  • Ben6899
    Ben6899 Posts: 9,686
    Tell him he's doing it wrong.
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  • softlad
    softlad Posts: 3,513
    edited June 2010
    Asprilla wrote:

    here we go again.... :)

    WD40 is a lube - one of the main components is a light mineral oil. It is also a water dispersant - what do you think disperses the water..??? correct - it's the oil. Try reading the label.

    It's not ideal as a chain lube, but anything is better than nothing. But please get your facts right.
  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    Regardless of how good or bad WD40 is for chain lube, why not use the right stuff for the job - light cycle oil. It's dirt cheap and does exactly what it says on the tin. All this arguing the toss about WD40 / GT85 / Domestos or whatever is bit pointless. Light Cycle Oil, 99p for a decent sized tin in your local hardware shop. Sorted.
  • CarleyB
    CarleyB Posts: 475
    We were discussing chain cleaning so actually what the gentleman was saying was that after every ride he sprays his chain lightly with wd40 and wipes it down. It keeps it relatively clean and lubed.

    So which is right and wrong?

    As this older gentleman was a roadie. So, before I tell him its wrong I need to get my facts straight otherwise i will look like an ass.
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  • softlad
    softlad Posts: 3,513
    CarleyB wrote:
    We were discussing chain cleaning so actually what the gentleman was saying was that after every ride he sprays his chain lightly with wd40 and wipes it down. It keeps it relatively clean and lubed.

    So which is right and wrong?

    As this older gentleman was a roadie. So, before I tell him its wrong I need to get my facts straight otherwise i will look like an ass.

    The old fella is not wrong and there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. Wipe your chain with a bit of WD or GT sprayed onto a rag, then lube it with whatever oil you prefer..
  • CarleyB
    CarleyB Posts: 475
    softlad wrote:
    CarleyB wrote:
    We were discussing chain cleaning so actually what the gentleman was saying was that after every ride he sprays his chain lightly with wd40 and wipes it down. It keeps it relatively clean and lubed.

    So which is right and wrong?

    As this older gentleman was a roadie. So, before I tell him its wrong I need to get my facts straight otherwise i will look like an ass.

    The old fella is not wrong and there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. Wipe your chain with a bit of WD or GT sprayed onto a rag, then lube it with whatever oil you prefer..

    Thank you
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  • CiB
    CiB Posts: 6,098
    <pedant mode>
    That advice conflicts with the original premise though in the opening post, that there's no need to lube the chain, just wipe it with WD40 instead. That's not good advice, whereas wiping it with WD40 / GT85 then lubing it with a proper lube is good advice.
    </pedant mode>
  • Bunneh
    Bunneh Posts: 1,329
    I oil my chain with the sweat off my brow.

    RAWR!

    Oh and I use cycle lube from the pound shop in town.
  • asprilla
    asprilla Posts: 8,440
    CiB wrote:
    <pedant mode>
    That advice conflicts with the original premise though in the opening post, that there's no need to lube the chain, just wipe it with WD40 instead. That's not good advice, whereas wiping it with WD40 / GT85 then lubing it with a proper lube is good advice.
    </pedant mode>

    Exactly. It's very poor advice to state that spraying with WD40 is sufficient and a proper lube isn't required. Fine to say clean and then lube, but that's not the advice that was given.

    Also, I appologise for being misleading in the beginning. WD40 is a lube, just not a very good one.
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  • softlad
    softlad Posts: 3,513
    CiB wrote:
    <pedant mode>
    That advice conflicts with the original premise though in the opening post, that there's no need to lube the chain, just wipe it with WD40 instead. That's not good advice, whereas wiping it with WD40 / GT85 then lubing it with a proper lube is good advice.
    </pedant mode>

    true - but if he is wiping it and lubing it with WD after every ride, then the chain is still going to end up fairly well looked after...
  • redddraggon
    redddraggon Posts: 10,862
    I pretty much just wipe my chain with wd40 these days, and only oil it when it feels like it needs it.
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  • rake
    rake Posts: 3,204
    softlad wrote:
    Asprilla wrote:

    here we go again.... :)

    WD40 is a lube - one of the main components is a light mineral oil. It is also a water dispersant - what do you think disperses the water..??? correct - it's the oil. Try reading the label.

    It's not ideal as a chain lube, but anything is better than nothing. But please get your facts right.
    your facts are wrong. what disperses the water is the 70% solvent content. light oil only makes up about 15% and is too light. just wipe the chain and oil it and wipe the excess off. or use a chainwasher if its bad. :wink:
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    softlad wrote:
    CarleyB wrote:
    We were discussing chain cleaning so actually what the gentleman was saying was that after every ride he sprays his chain lightly with wd40 and wipes it down. It keeps it relatively clean and lubed.

    So which is right and wrong?

    As this older gentleman was a roadie. So, before I tell him its wrong I need to get my facts straight otherwise i will look like an ass.

    The old fella is not wrong and there's nothing wrong with what he is doing. Wipe your chain with a bit of WD or GT sprayed onto a rag, then lube it with whatever oil you prefer..

    That's exactly what I do...
  • softlad
    softlad Posts: 3,513
    rake wrote:
    your facts are wrong. what disperses the water is the 70% solvent content. light oil only makes up about 15% and is too light. just wipe the chain and oil it and wipe the excess off. or use a chainwasher if its bad. :wink:

    what do you think the solvent is made from, sherlock...??

    I'll give you a clue - it's mineral based and begins with 'o'.....
  • Doombrain
    Doombrain Posts: 360
    use this http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... odelID=317

    don't let WD40 drag you down man.
    LOL road riding.
  • rake
    rake Posts: 3,204
    softlad wrote:
    rake wrote:
    your facts are wrong. what disperses the water is the 70% solvent content. light oil only makes up about 15% and is too light. just wipe the chain and oil it and wipe the excess off. or use a chainwasher if its bad. :wink:

    what do you think the solvent is made from, sherlock...??

    I'll give you a clue - it's mineral based and begins with 'o'.....
    well holmes, petrol is fractionated from crude mineral oil, but its no good for lubricating. it evaporates away so wont stay on the chain anyway.
    http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html
  • Doombrain
    Doombrain Posts: 360
    that link has no pictures.
    LOL road riding.
  • rake
    rake Posts: 3,204
    professors dont need pictures.
  • CarleyB
    CarleyB Posts: 475
    worms and can spring to mind :lol:
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  • rake
    rake Posts: 3,204
    CarleyB wrote:
    worms and can spring to mind :lol:
    the cans empty, theyve had time to wriggle away. :lol:
  • MarjMJ
    MarjMJ Posts: 35
    CarleyB
    I am so glad you asked this question, as it was just the one I was going to ask [but was afraid]. :oops:
  • Doombrain
    Doombrain Posts: 360
    halfrauds do their own version of a dry teflon lube for £5. going to give that ago when my redline runs out.
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  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    They did some tests on Roadcycling UK and decided that Teflon Plus Dry Lube was the best for the chain whatever the weather. I just thought i`d add my 2p.
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  • robbiedont
    robbiedont Posts: 89
    I clean my chain daily with unicorn tears and then relube with dodo oil.

    beat that.
  • Doombrain
    Doombrain Posts: 360
    I new a new chain, out of the packet, every rotation of the crank. the chain is sent to me and fitted by a team of page 3 girls.
    LOL road riding.
  • woodywmb
    woodywmb Posts: 669
    WD40is fine for maintaining chains on road bikes which are used in reasonably good weather. Mountain bike chains and road bike chains which are put through their paces in long downpours will need something more substantial like a Teflon coated lube. To go back to the original question, a wipe down with WD40 should keep the drivetrain running smoothly. It will also knock off all the road debris that tends to cling to chains, especially those smothered in heavier duty oil. This forum is full of oil experts but you'll find the old man's advice was pefectly valid. Try it over the summer and come back with the results.
  • PeeDee
    PeeDee Posts: 88
    We ran out of teflon dry lube a while ago, so I started using light oil instead (3 in 1).

    I run a single speed with a chain tension adjuster screw. Having hardly ever had to adjust the tension with the dry lube, I went to adjusting the tension every couple of weeks using the oil. The chain was stretching (i.e. wearing) at an alarming rate.

    A quick examination of the chain explains why: the wet oil picks up grit from the road and the chain was running in an oily grinding paste. You could hear the grit as the chain turned. The oily chain looked like it was better lubed, but in fact the dry chain that looked to be poorly lubed was actuallty lasting longer.

    My chain rules:

    1) Keep it clean
    2) Keep it dry
    3) Use a Teflon Lube

    Of course, the problem with this advice is that Teflon dry lube costs a fortune, and its far cheaper to use a 99p oil can and buy a new chain every now and again.

    SO: if you love your bike like a baby clean after every ride and use Teflon Dry Lube. OR: if you couldn't really give a f**k save yourself a load of money money and use plain oil and buy another chain every year or two.

    As a halfay measure, I reckon the rag and WD40 technique might actually work out the most cost effective.