England shirts officially not offensive
bails87
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I hope they sue her and the tabloids into oblivion!
Mr De Santis added: "There have been one or two unsavoury incidents with our members of staff over the incident. We are very concerned that this has caused that and our drivers are not happy their reputation has been damaged"
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They're not offensive... just the people inside them Formally known as Coatbridgeguy0
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Coatbridgeguy wrote:They're not offensive... just the people inside them
From someone who's national side last qualified for a major tournament in 1998, but we won't mention that Vis Unita Fortior0 -
I'm English, but I'll run like hell if I see someone in an England football shirt.Tel39 wrote:Coatbridgeguy wrote:They're not offensive... just the people inside them
From someone who's national side last qualified for a major tournament in 1998, but we won't mention that
I'm scared they'll talk about football you see. Can't take that risk.0 -
how could anyone find my purchase today offensive, esp with a big red number 19 on the back
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Tel39 wrote:Coatbridgeguy wrote:They're not offensive... just the people inside them
From someone who's national side last qualified for a major tournament in 1998, but we won't mention that
Better to not qualify than worry every four years about getting kicked out of competitons due to the fans...
Thanks to marriage though I get to follow the wife's country...currently 2 world cup wins to their name (and no really bad adverts with former coaches performing cringeworthy singing)
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Tel39 wrote:Coatbridgeguy wrote:They're not offensive... just the people inside them
From someone who's national side last qualified for a major tournament in 1998, but we won't mention that
I think you just lived up to your reputation. Congratulations.
When you win the thing you can gloat about us not qualifying. Until then you lot are also rans like the rest of them.
Wherever England fans travel there are always louts that give people a bad name. Several of them. And okay the other home nations don't qualify very often but when they do the fans are welcomed. I give it a week before dome drunken yob is moaning about being victimised for an offense he committed.0 -
stuartfraser wrote:Tel39 wrote:Coatbridgeguy wrote:They're not offensive... just the people inside them
From someone who's national side last qualified for a major tournament in 1998, but we won't mention that
I think you just lived up to your reputation. Congratulations.
When you win the thing you can gloat about us not qualifying. Until then you lot are also rans like the rest of them.
Wherever England fans travel there are always louts that give people a bad name. Several of them. And okay the other home nations don't qualify very often but when they do the fans are welcomed. I give it a week before dome drunken yob is moaning about being victimised for an offense he committed.
Ah yes, the peace loving scottish football fans....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7402817.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7401188.stm0 -
There's always bad apples in every bunch. No need to tar every England fan with the same brush.0
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bails87 wrote:stuartfraser wrote:Tel39 wrote:Coatbridgeguy wrote:They're not offensive... just the people inside them
From someone who's national side last qualified for a major tournament in 1998, but we won't mention that
I think you just lived up to your reputation. Congratulations.
When you win the thing you can gloat about us not qualifying. Until then you lot are also rans like the rest of them.
Wherever England fans travel there are always louts that give people a bad name. Several of them. And okay the other home nations don't qualify very often but when they do the fans are welcomed. I give it a week before dome drunken yob is moaning about being victimised for an offense he committed.
Ah yes, the peace loving scottish football fans....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7402817.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7401188.stm
I had totally forgotten that the Scottish national team was called Rangers Football Club and that we carried union jacks and sang god save the queen. Hang on a minute, that's beginning to sound like someone else...
*And since you like links so much... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=english+football+hooligans replace English with any other home nation and look at the difference in results.
Im not tarring every fan with the same brush, I have lots of English friends, dont really give a sh*t about football to be perfectly honest but the English fans do themselves no favours and thats the reason that, for example, at the last euro champs all the England stars asked English fans to behave themselves. They dont have a reputation for being hooligans for no reason. If you disagree then that's fine, but you're wrong!0 -
stuartfraser wrote:bails87 wrote:stuartfraser wrote:
Wherever England fans travel there are always louts that give people a bad name. Several of them. And okay the other home nations don't qualify very often but when they do the fans are welcomed. I give it a week before dome drunken yob is moaning about being victimised for an offense he committed.
Ah yes, the peace loving scottish football fans....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7402817.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7401188.stm
I had totally forgotten that the Scottish national team was called Rangers Football Club and that we carried union jacks and sang god save the queen. Hang on a minute, that's beginning to sound like someone else...
*And since you like links so much... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=english+football+hooligans replace English with any other home nation and look at the difference in results.
Im not tarring every fan with the same brush, I have lots of English friends, dont really give a sh*t about football to be perfectly honest but the English fans do themselves no favours and thats the reason that, for example, at the last euro champs all the England stars asked English fans to behave themselves. They dont have a reputation for being hooligans for no reason. If you disagree then that's fine, but you're wrong!
Singing the BRITISH national anthem and holding a BRITISH flag? You'd almost believe Scotland was part of Britain wouldn't you? :roll:
So people from Scotland who are fans of a Scottish football team aren't "Scottish football fans"? :roll:
My point was the same as cgarossi's. There are morons from every country in the world. If you want proper football hooliganism look at Italy or Russia or South America or Spain, they're all a long, long way behind the UK. I don't think there's been as much destruction caused by English fans as there was by the Rangers fans in a long time. That was proper mob mentality on-the-rampage (see CCTV of the police officer bering attacked) stuff, rather than two groups of idiots using a football match as an excuse to have a fight with each other.
How much trouble was there at the last Euros involving England fans? Having been to football matches very recently in France and Belgium, the atmosphere is much more intimidating there than it is in any English ground that I've been to. Flares, people with megaphones firing up the crowd, riot police as standard, chains and huge trench/moat things to stop people getting on the pitches.
English fans have got a bad reputation which, unfortunately is entirely justified given the troubles of the 70s and 80s, but most football grounds in England now are family friendly things. Places like Millwall are the disappointing exception to the rule.
Although on the other hand.....
INGEERRRRRRRLAND!
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Roughly what Bails said.
On the topic of hooligans and whatnot, it amazes me how Italy get away with little being said about the stabbings that their fans do. Turkey have a whole heap of problems with the fans.
Yes in the 70s & 80s when the football trains were running there was always going to be banter then trouble then proper violence.
A Football shirt doesn't make someone a racist or a thug. Hence the true hooligans rarely wear their colours, neither league or national team when going to battle.fly like a mouse, run like a cushion be the small bookcase!0 -
fletch8928 wrote:
A Football shirt doesn't make someone a racist or a thug. Hence the true hooligans rarely wear their colours, neither league or national team when going to battle.
Yeah, I can't remember if it was the police or an 'insider' from some of the holligans who said that wearing a football shirt typically marks you out as NOT a hooligan.0 -
Polish fans are really bad, they burn the oppositions kit at the match and allsorts, apparently some go just to have a riot
Its in the Ross Kemp on Gangs book, I dont know if he did it on the show0 -
What usaully gives them away are their scarves, worn under the collar of their coats .fly like a mouse, run like a cushion be the small bookcase!0
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bails87 wrote:English fans have got a bad reputation which, unfortunately is entirely justified.
So we agree then.
And you're right we should all be united under the British national anthem. Written by an Englishman, as the national anthem for England with the line rebellious Scots to crush. Which you might say sums up your attitude perfectly.
And mate, turns out you lot are so bad you didn't even need to be at the last one to be causing everyone grief.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKKIM15375920080201
And Im sorry to have to ram this home but it speaks for itself.
http://www.insurewithease.com/news/football-hooligans-deported-prior-to-the-start-of-world-cup-2010.aspx
Like I said, I have nothing against England/ English fans. But don't try and defend hooliganism or deny it. England are world renowned for it. Which is partly why the other home nations are quick to disassociate themselves.
*And to get back to the OP try wearing a Scotland shirt in London or any Irish shirt in a dodgy part of Glasgow and see how you get on.
They're a haven for BO anyway. My favourite is seeing people abroad with their entire family decked out in football gear. You always see one half of them like that on Holiday Showdown. Moaning about how ignorant or obnoxious the French are 0 -
And what was the rest of my quote?stuartfraser wrote:bails87 wrote:English fans have got a bad reputation which, unfortunately is entirely justified.
So we agree then.And you're right we should all be united under the British national anthem. Written by an Englishman, as the national anthem for England with the line rebellious Scots to crush. Which you might say sums up your attitude perfectly.
Yes I want to crush rebellious scots....:roll: It is the British national anthem though isn't it? Happy to be proven wrong.And mate, turns out you lot are so bad you didn't even need to be at the last one to be causing everyone grief.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKKIM15375920080201
Are you concerned about having your bike stolen? Would you rather it didn't happen? Just because you say yes doesn't mean that these things will actually happen. All that link is is a survey saying Austrians are concerned that there might be English hooliganism. I'll say again, was there any? Or shall we see how the next few weeks pan out?And Im sorry to have to ram this home but it speaks for itself.
http://www.insurewithease.com/news/football-hooligans-deported-prior-to-the-start-of-world-cup-2010.aspx
So a travel insurance company says that you might need travel insurance?!
Some Argentians were deported from SA and some English people with a history of violence had their passports taken off them (and rightly so) before they had the chance to do anything, and without any evidence that they were even going to cause trouble.Like I said, I have nothing against England/ English fans. But don't try and defend hooliganism or deny it. England are world renowned for it. Which is partly why the other home nations are quick to disassociate themselves.
Where have I defended hooligans?
When I called them idiots? Or when I called them morons? Or when I called them the disappointing exception to the rule?
As for disassociating themselves, don't all countries do that? Even outside of football.*And to get back to the OP try wearing a Scotland shirt in London or any Irish shirt in a dodgy part of Glasgow and see how you get on.
So it's not just an English problem?
I've never experienced that though and I've played football with people wearing Ireland, Scotland, Poland, Turkey and various African shirts. People who've sometimes picked a random shirt and other times worn it because of family history/their descent, then been to the pub afterwards still wearing the shirt and never had the slightest bit of trouble.
In any case, the OP was about the made up stories about England shirts being banned.They're a haven for BO anyway. My favourite is seeing people abroad with their entire family decked out in football gear. You always see one half of them like that on Holiday Showdown. Moaning about how ignorant or obnoxious the French are
I know what you mean, the kind of people who go abroad and then complain that no-one speaks English and the food is all funny 0 -
football hooliganism is as english as chicken tikka, and long may it continue.
the good thing about football yobs is that it reminds the world that we are hard as fuck.0 -
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To summarise... You said this:bails87 wrote:Ah yes, the peace loving scottish football fans....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7402817.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/7401188.stm
To which I suggested that Scottish football fans have little to do with it as they are different to Scotland supporters.
Which turned into a long drawn out argument involving who sings what songs, why and what have you.
My point was and has always been that England is renowned for football hooliganism, which you agreed with but suggested it does not exist in the present day, or at least not to the same extent.
So I then said yes it does gave you a couple of links and you made some contextual based retorts which weren't really relevant and were beginning to take us down a path so far removed from the OP I couldn't be bothered replying and posted this instead.
The end point, about getting stabbed in Glasgow is nothing to do with football hooliganism. Neds are like magpies, if they see something shiny be it watches, keys or a guy who is wearing anything they can pick on to get his attention, even if its their own team, they will attack him. These are just regular hooligans and, mostly, unrelated to football.0 -
The fact that this is even an issue: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/politics/10274536.stm
Is the funny part. Imagine a building in England flying the English flag. God forbid!0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:as english as chicken tikka.
Invented, like all the best things, in scotland.Uncompromising extremist0 -
Oh dear, well this went off the rails a bit didn't it.
Stuartfraser, I agree, there is still football hooliganism in England. But we've done a better job of dealing with it (and that's the UK as a whole, not just England) than a lot of other European countries.
England does have a reputation, and that reputation worries people, which is all that your first link showed. Neither of them were evidence of current day hooliganism. And neither showed that it is worse than any other country. If we could wipe people's memories and just look at the last 4/5 years, it would be Italy, Russia and Turkey that people would be worried about. But the idiocy of the 70s and 80s means that we've got to put up with the image the world has of us. Hopefully this WC will be an example of well behaved England fans, and well behaved fans of all countries.
I hope I haven't come across as anti-Scottish, that wasn't my intention (I love TV and shortbread!).
The thread was just started as a celebratory 'f**k you' in the faces of the normally racist idiots who believe that Muslims etc want England shirts/flags banned, and then go on to make up stories about it to keep the lies going. That was all. I can't really remember how we ended up here!
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bails87 wrote:Oh dear, well this went off the rails a bit didn't it.
Stuartfraser, I agree, there is still football hooliganism in England. But we've done a better job of dealing with it (and that's the UK as a whole, not just England) than a lot of other European countries.
England does have a reputation, and that reputation worries people, which is all that your first link showed. Neither of them were evidence of current day hooliganism. And neither showed that it is worse than any other country. If we could wipe people's memories and just look at the last 4/5 years, it would be Italy, Russia and Turkey that people would be worried about. But the idiocy of the 70s and 80s means that we've got to put up with the image the world has of us. Hopefully this WC will be an example of well behaved England fans, and well behaved fans of all countries.
I hope I haven't come across as anti-Scottish, that wasn't my intention (I love TV and shortbread!).
The thread was just started as a celebratory 'f**k you' in the faces of the normally racist idiots who believe that Muslims etc want England shirts/flags banned, and then go on to make up stories about it to keep the lies going. That was all. I can't really remember how we ended up here!
Peace out y'all!
I agree with everything you have said with the exception to the fact that one of the links is an insurance company saying 3200 english 'fans' have had their passports taken off them so they cant go and start a riot. From 2010.
From the Reuters website (the link I posted)
"English hooligans were cited as the main potential source of trouble by 20 percent of 1,500 Austrians who were surveyed two months after England failed to qualify.
Turkish, German and Polish fans, all of whose teams have qualified, were seen as the next most likely to cause trouble."
Thats the hosts that were saying that. Pretty indefensible if you ask me. Thats examples from 2010 and 2008. So hardly '4 or 5' years ago. So it might be getting better but you've got some work to prove it.0 -
Slightly off topic, but going back to last week...has anyone bought the England Gnome yet from ASDA??
Supersonic???Ride it like you stole it!0 -
stuartfraser wrote:I agree with everything you have said with the exception to the fact that one of the links is an insurance company saying 3200 english 'fans' have had their passports taken off them so they cant go and start a riot. From 2010.
From the Reuters website (the link I posted)
"English hooligans were cited as the main potential source of trouble by 20 percent of 1,500 Austrians who were surveyed two months after England failed to qualify.
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Thats the hosts that were saying that. Pretty indefensible if you ask me. Thats examples from 2010 and 2008. So hardly '4 or 5' years ago. So it might be getting better but you've got some work to prove it.
Potential!
This is Austrian 'civilians', so not police or gov't officials, just random people off the street. Stating that they thought that the biggest potential source of trouble, before the tournament, was England fans.
I agree it's bad. But that doesn't mean there was any trouble. HAving googled it, I couldn't find any reports on trouble invoving English people at Euro 2008, I understand the point about the reputation. But I hope you can see that a fear of something doesn't mean that it actually happened. After all, this isn't people afterwards saying that the biggest ACTUAL source of trouble was England 'fans'.0 -
bails87 wrote:But I hope you can see that a fear of something doesn't mean that it actually happened.
I think the fact that the host citizens viewed fans, from a country not even competing at the tournament, as the biggest risk basically shows what Im trying to say.
And then theres the 3200 England fans whos passports were taken off them because they were likely to be d*ckheads. The only other people theyve taken passports off were the Argies, a grand total of 12.
I see your point but I think if the only issue was that 4 years ago England were dicks and there hadnt been trouble since they probably wouldnt have even mentioned it.0
