CO2 or minipump ?

Platti
Platti Posts: 130
edited May 2010 in Road beginners
Just had my latest puncture and whilst pumping up the new inner thought it must be a better idea to carry a CO2 cannister in my saddle bag - they seem small enough.

Just after thoughts (and recommendations) from more experienced riders on which they prefer to carry.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Never run out of air with a mini pump....... :wink:
  • Buckled_Rims
    Buckled_Rims Posts: 1,648
    Or best of both worlds. This is what I use for training runs.

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Innovations_Second_Wind_Carbon_Road_Pump/5360029349/

    Pump and CO2
    CAAD9
    Kona Jake the Snake
    Merlin Malt 4
  • sungod
    sungod Posts: 16,849
    on sunday i was on a long ride in the hills, with a slow puncture* that i couldn't find, used the spare tube, it got the slow puncture*, had to stop every 10k to inflate

    like dmclite says, minipumps don't run out of air

    co2 is great if you are in a race and need every second, otherwise minipump

    * cause was a 2mm long piece of fine wire embedded in the tyre, didn't stick out inside or outside when i took the tyre off to examine it, presumably only stuck out under high pressure, back at base found it by carefully noting the puncture location then using fine pointy wire cutters to probe every slight mark on the tyre until i found one with a shiny bit hidden inside

    with co2 i'd never have been carrying enough cartridges
    my bike - faster than god's and twice as shiny
  • crankycrank
    crankycrank Posts: 1,830
    I know many people who prefer the CO2 pumps but the only people I've needed to stop and assist with pumping up their tyres either had no pump at all or had a handfull of empty CO2 cartriges. :wink:
  • Monty Dog
    Monty Dog Posts: 20,614
    If that Innovations pump is so wonderful why do they need to sell it at half-price? - perhaps because it's a pile o' cack that's good for nothing?

    I carry CO2 for races, but for long rides experience tells me that CO2 simply isn't reliable enough.
    Make mine an Italian, with Campagnolo on the side..
  • flasher
    flasher Posts: 1,734
    Both 8) A couple of cartridges in the saddle bag and a mini pump in the jersey pocket, never been caught short yet...................
  • Pross
    Pross Posts: 42,149
    Really wished I had CO2 when I punctured on my commute home last week when I found my mini pump wouldn't seal on the valve. Had to flag down a passing group and borrow a pump :oops: But I would echo most of the above and wouldn't go out training without a mini pump at least as a back up.
  • Slimbods
    Slimbods Posts: 321
    Monty Dog wrote:
    If that Innovations pump is so wonderful why do they need to sell it at half-price? - perhaps because it's a pile o' cack that's good for nothing?

    No, because it was overpriced. I've got one, and it's a good minipump with an option to use co2. Used both functions and it's fine, light and looks great in bare carbon. Worth 20 quid easily.
  • Percy Vera
    Percy Vera Posts: 1,103
    Or best of both worlds. This is what I use for training runs.

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Innovations_Second_Wind_Carbon_Road_Pump/5360029349/

    Pump and CO2

    Hi,

    I see the frame bracket for these is bottle mounted - does it take the place of a bottle cage or does it fit in beside it?
  • soveda
    soveda Posts: 306
    Flasher wrote:
    Both 8) A couple of cartridges in the saddle bag and a mini pump in the jersey pocket, never been caught short yet...................

    +1

    also 2 tubes+patch kit at all times
  • Pirahna
    Pirahna Posts: 1,315
    Monty Dog wrote:
    If that Innovations pump is so wonderful why do they need to sell it at half-price? - perhaps because it's a pile o' cack that's good for nothing?

    I carry CO2 for races, but for long rides experience tells me that CO2 simply isn't reliable enough.

    The Innovations pumps are good providing you buy the long version. The normal version of that one is the Road Air and I have no hesitation in recommending it, but not the short version. Better still are the Lezyene pumps, smaller and more robust.

    I carry CO2 and a mini pump.
  • By the way Wilko's are now selling a pack of two CO2 cartridges for £2.49 and I think they also have CO2 pumps for about a fiver.
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Posts: 79,667
    Percy Vera wrote:
    Or best of both worlds. This is what I use for training runs.

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Innovations_Second_Wind_Carbon_Road_Pump/5360029349/

    Pump and CO2

    Hi,

    I see the frame bracket for these is bottle mounted - does it take the place of a bottle cage or does it fit in beside it?

    Mini Pump in back pocket or inside a water bottle carrier, not frame mounted, its against the rules......... :D

    stands back......
  • Percy Vera
    Percy Vera Posts: 1,103
    dmclite wrote:
    Percy Vera wrote:
    Or best of both worlds. This is what I use for training runs.

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Innovations_Second_Wind_Carbon_Road_Pump/5360029349/

    Pump and CO2

    Hi,

    I see the frame bracket for these is bottle mounted - does it take the place of a bottle cage or does it fit in beside it?

    Mini Pump in back pocket or inside a water bottle carrier, not frame mounted, its against the rules......... :D

    stands back......

    I've been following the rules, but I'm feeling a bit rebellious.
    Rules are made to be broken :D
  • Platti
    Platti Posts: 130
    Thanks for the replies people. I'll not be ditching the pump then, never thought of that ! Quite like the idea of 2 in 1, depends what it weighs though.
  • cougie
    cougie Posts: 22,512
    Lezyne mini pump for me. Pumping to 100PSI doesnt take long, so save the CO2 for races if you have to. By the time you take the adaptor and 2 cartridges - you'd be better off with just one pump.
  • andy162
    andy162 Posts: 634
    Innovations Secondwind is a good bit of kit. Best of both worlds. When the end cap fell off I emailed them to buy a new one. They sent me one foc from the States within a week or so. Pretty good back up too.

    Don't get this "co2 for races" thing tho? If you blow a tube surely it's game over?
  • stokepa31
    stokepa31 Posts: 559
    +1 for the secondwind. its never let me down and ive fixed tons of punctures for other people in a jiffy. everyone who's seen it in action has imediately gone out and got one.
    Burning Fat Not Rubber

    Scott CR1
    Genesis IO ID
    Moda Canon
  • Buckled_Rims
    Buckled_Rims Posts: 1,648
    Monty Dog wrote:
    If that Innovations pump is so wonderful why do they need to sell it at half-price? - perhaps because it's a pile o' cack that's good for nothing?

    I carry CO2 for races, but for long rides experience tells me that CO2 simply isn't reliable enough.

    Nope, it's top notch. I've the secondwind road model. It takes a fair few pumps to get the tyre inflated, but that's why I use the CO2 end first :wink:
    CAAD9
    Kona Jake the Snake
    Merlin Malt 4
  • Platti
    Platti Posts: 130
    So I'm thinking the Secondwind gets the all round thumbs up. Does it look ok on the bike though with it being so long ? Any pics ?
  • Ollieda
    Ollieda Posts: 1,010
    Percy Vera wrote:
    Or best of both worlds. This is what I use for training runs.

    http://www.wiggle.co.uk/p/cycle/7/Innovations_Second_Wind_Carbon_Road_Pump/5360029349/

    Pump and CO2

    Hi,

    I see the frame bracket for these is bottle mounted - does it take the place of a bottle cage or does it fit in beside it?

    If it's like the other ones then I assume it's a little shim that sits under the bottle cage and the bolts for the bottle cage go through then it has a clip for the pump to attach to the side, can't imagine that they would actually design it to replace a bottle cage.
  • Buckled_Rims
    Buckled_Rims Posts: 1,648
    Platti wrote:
    So I'm thinking the Secondwind gets the all round thumbs up. Does it look ok on the bike though with it being so long ? Any pics ?

    Here's a couple of photos I took this morning. Notice how you can use the CO2 bottle as a handle extension whether full or empty because it uses screw fit. I don't fit it on the bike, I just carry it in my pocket its that small.

    without.jpg

    withCO2.jpg
    CAAD9
    Kona Jake the Snake
    Merlin Malt 4
  • Have zero trust in the co2 black magic - pump all the way
  • gwillis
    gwillis Posts: 998
    Platti wrote:
    So I'm thinking the Secondwind gets the all round thumbs up. Does it look ok on the bike though with it being so long ? Any pics ?

    Here's a couple of photos I took this morning. Notice how you can use the CO2 bottle as a handle extension whether full or empty because it uses screw fit. I don't fit it on the bike, I just carry it in my pocket its that small.

    without.jpg

    withCO2.jpg

    does this have a guage on it . Would like to get one and cant see if it does.
  • nomoreexcuses
    nomoreexcuses Posts: 118
    Most small pumps won't do a 100PSI. I believe a 16g CO2 will do upto 130PSI. I can inflate my tire to 80PSI at best with a general small pump and that's having to giving it some. At least your tires are inflated back to normal with CO2 and ride not spoilt.

    Maybe someone can recommend good pumps that blow up over 100 PSI...
  • Platti
    Platti Posts: 130
    Thanks for the pics !!! Wow its so much smaller that it looked on Wiggle, looks about 40cm in length there !

    Thats sold it, cheers.
  • Platti
    Platti Posts: 130
    In fact on Wiggle it says its 30cm in length it that the same on as your pic ? or do you have a MASSIVE seat ?
  • herusix
    herusix Posts: 55
    Lezyne Mini pump, just purchased one the other day to replace CO2 combi pump which was at best useless.

    Had cause to use the Lezyne on first outing when I got a pinch puncture,and it worked faultlessly.

    I have the HP Drive for £19.99,nearly got one of the snazzy coloured anodized ones but figured they won't actually work any better.

    This is mine
    hpdrive-s-white-v1-r0.jpg
    Dialled Bikes Prince Albert MTB

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    Project Concorde Road Bike
  • antfly
    antfly Posts: 3,276
    Most small pumps won't do a 100PSI. I believe a 16g CO2 will do upto 130PSI. I can inflate my tire to 80PSI at best with a general small pump and that's having to giving it some. At least your tires are inflated back to normal with CO2 and ride not spoilt.

    Maybe someone can recommend good pumps that blow up over 100 PSI...
    Lezyne road drive gets to 100psi comfortably.
    I carry co2 as well as it`s just a tiny attachment thing so I don`t see the point in a pump co2 combo, I think it`s better getting a decent pump and just carrying both or either one.
    Smarter than the average bear.
  • Buckled_Rims
    Buckled_Rims Posts: 1,648
    Platti wrote:
    Thanks for the pics !!! Wow its so much smaller that it looked on Wiggle, looks about 40cm in length there !

    Thats sold it, cheers.

    It's 19cm or 7.5 inches in length....er, the pump that is. :cry:
    CAAD9
    Kona Jake the Snake
    Merlin Malt 4