Edelux, Supernova or Lumotec IQ Cyo; a few other questions
Uebermensch
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Dear fellow forum members,
I've a question, and venture to seek your advice on one matter.
I'm preparing for a 2500 - 3000 km. bicycling tour through Western & Central Europe with my sweetheart in June, my third since 2007 (and her first so far).
We both use Cannondale Caffeine units, a 2007 Féminine (with a HeadShock Fatty, Avid 5 hydraulic diskbrakes) & a 2009 F1 (with a Lefty fork, etc.). The bicycles have undergone a partial tour-oriented modification: Planet Bike 26" fenders, Tubus racks, etc.
We're both very dependent on our electronic equipment (2 iPhone 3G, a Garmin GPSMap 60CSx, possibly an iPad, etc.) for the purpose of navigation, microblogging, general use.
The Cannondale with a HeadShok, I understand, will take both the SONdeluxe (SON 20R) and the SON 28. I had come across a notion on the net that the SONdeluxe, installed in a 26" wheel, will generate less energy than the SON 28, and charging a device via an adapter would, accordingly, take longer than it would in the case of the SON 28. To clarify this issue, I called SON (I believe I spoke to Mr. Schmidt); he - by the way, a very considerate man, analytically-inclined and objective in reasoning (at least in the regard in question) - told that the 20deluxe would, indeed, be more efficient in a 26" wheel, but merely when riding at a speed below 20 km/h; that at ca. 20 km/h these two would show the same performance and at higher speeds the 20deluxe would even outperform the SON 28 somewhat! An incouraging news, as this means I could have a lighter dynamo that would perform approximately as well as the one designed specifically for large wheels, and in a colour I favour more (e.g., in red).
Also, as I'd originally intended to acquire a Supernova E3 Pro/Triple (symmetric/asymmetric beam pattern), but in the course of my conversation with Mr. Schmidt I learned that the Edelux & Supernovas are rather comparable in terms of performance (despite the distinctions of each).
Here my questions follow:
- Would you recommend any of the Supernova models, the SON Edelux or the B&M Lumotec IQ Cyo? Our main object is to illuminate the road optimally at night in the course of our journey. There are secondary preference criteria, such as design (I think, a red Edelux or a red Supernova would be most fitting), and, of course, if any of the afore-mentioned lights requires less power while illuminating as brightly or brighter, it could most likely be the one to go for.
- There are a few dynamo-operated charging devices to choose from: the B&M E-Werk, Dahon's own ReeCharger/FreeCharge, PedalPower+ V4i and so forth. Let me add that we both have an iPhone 3G (one to be upgraded to a Palm WebOS-operated smartphone soon, the other - the yet unannounced iPhone 4.0), along with a Garmin 60CSx, etc.; the devices will be extensively use throughout the ride to aid in navigation, etc. Which charger, in your opinion, would fulfill the purpose best (that is, charge the equipment rapidly, optimally eliminating the risk of damage)? I do know that the iPhone 3Gs, for instance, does require a rechargeable external battery to feed it, but I don't know if the ReeCharger has one or is compatible with one (I believe, the other two have). Have you aposteriori experience with these units? if so, could you, please, summarise your findings?
- To eliminate chances of fatigue and see to an optimally comfortable ride, I intend to replace the Specialized Nimbus tires (with FlackJacket puncture protection) on the Féminine with a Schwalbe Big Apple LiteSkin set (or, optionally, the widest Marathon Supremes). I ponder if the Big Apple LiteSkins, in 26x2.35 (or otherwise, in 26x2.15) would fit the frame with a Planet Bike rear fender and an SKS ShockBoard in front, installed?
Thank you for replies.
I've a question, and venture to seek your advice on one matter.
I'm preparing for a 2500 - 3000 km. bicycling tour through Western & Central Europe with my sweetheart in June, my third since 2007 (and her first so far).
We both use Cannondale Caffeine units, a 2007 Féminine (with a HeadShock Fatty, Avid 5 hydraulic diskbrakes) & a 2009 F1 (with a Lefty fork, etc.). The bicycles have undergone a partial tour-oriented modification: Planet Bike 26" fenders, Tubus racks, etc.
We're both very dependent on our electronic equipment (2 iPhone 3G, a Garmin GPSMap 60CSx, possibly an iPad, etc.) for the purpose of navigation, microblogging, general use.
The Cannondale with a HeadShok, I understand, will take both the SONdeluxe (SON 20R) and the SON 28. I had come across a notion on the net that the SONdeluxe, installed in a 26" wheel, will generate less energy than the SON 28, and charging a device via an adapter would, accordingly, take longer than it would in the case of the SON 28. To clarify this issue, I called SON (I believe I spoke to Mr. Schmidt); he - by the way, a very considerate man, analytically-inclined and objective in reasoning (at least in the regard in question) - told that the 20deluxe would, indeed, be more efficient in a 26" wheel, but merely when riding at a speed below 20 km/h; that at ca. 20 km/h these two would show the same performance and at higher speeds the 20deluxe would even outperform the SON 28 somewhat! An incouraging news, as this means I could have a lighter dynamo that would perform approximately as well as the one designed specifically for large wheels, and in a colour I favour more (e.g., in red).
Also, as I'd originally intended to acquire a Supernova E3 Pro/Triple (symmetric/asymmetric beam pattern), but in the course of my conversation with Mr. Schmidt I learned that the Edelux & Supernovas are rather comparable in terms of performance (despite the distinctions of each).
Here my questions follow:
- Would you recommend any of the Supernova models, the SON Edelux or the B&M Lumotec IQ Cyo? Our main object is to illuminate the road optimally at night in the course of our journey. There are secondary preference criteria, such as design (I think, a red Edelux or a red Supernova would be most fitting), and, of course, if any of the afore-mentioned lights requires less power while illuminating as brightly or brighter, it could most likely be the one to go for.
- There are a few dynamo-operated charging devices to choose from: the B&M E-Werk, Dahon's own ReeCharger/FreeCharge, PedalPower+ V4i and so forth. Let me add that we both have an iPhone 3G (one to be upgraded to a Palm WebOS-operated smartphone soon, the other - the yet unannounced iPhone 4.0), along with a Garmin 60CSx, etc.; the devices will be extensively use throughout the ride to aid in navigation, etc. Which charger, in your opinion, would fulfill the purpose best (that is, charge the equipment rapidly, optimally eliminating the risk of damage)? I do know that the iPhone 3Gs, for instance, does require a rechargeable external battery to feed it, but I don't know if the ReeCharger has one or is compatible with one (I believe, the other two have). Have you aposteriori experience with these units? if so, could you, please, summarise your findings?
- To eliminate chances of fatigue and see to an optimally comfortable ride, I intend to replace the Specialized Nimbus tires (with FlackJacket puncture protection) on the Féminine with a Schwalbe Big Apple LiteSkin set (or, optionally, the widest Marathon Supremes). I ponder if the Big Apple LiteSkins, in 26x2.35 (or otherwise, in 26x2.15) would fit the frame with a Planet Bike rear fender and an SKS ShockBoard in front, installed?
Thank you for replies.
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People don't seem to know what you are asking about. I certainly don't. 3000km is further than most of us commute.0
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Hi,
A lot of thinking in your post.
I would google around at what the long distance cyclists, www.crazyguyonabike.com do, even post to their forums. More specialised than here. Thats is if you have not done so.
Not sure about powering stuff, but busch and muller sell kit to convert power from must hubs to power most electronic kit. Most small electronic phones. etc use low wattage so the power of Son is all you need. Check the forums of crazyguy. All the article on long distance cyclists have discussions on kit. Recharge times are slower.
I run a b&m lumotec cyo senseo and it works really well. Too bright for commuting use. I have to point it downward, not as bright as the 200 pound bracket battery lights, but they are overkill for on road cycling. They blind oncomers, and make people swerve to avoid the beam of light. If price is no obstacle then pick what you want. I would always be a bit wary of high price kit when travelling. kit that is reliable and has a high price i am torn by.
I found this post from looking into the Edelux. its won quite a few awards recently, and given Schmidts skills, i would not be too suprised that is very good. I trust Schmidt. specification.
http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/pdf/ ... Edelux.pdf
I umming as the cyo is all i need but am tempted by something more bright/different. Though it might be too bright.
btw, i have just picked up a son20 and have laced it to a 700c wheel. we'll see how it works out. The normal son is just brilliant, works come what may.
Hope you have a good ride in the summer.0 -
llerrac wrote:Hi,
A lot of thinking in your post.
I would google around at what the long distance cyclists, www.crazyguyonabike.com do, even post to their forums. More specialised than here. Thats is if you have not done so.
Not sure about powering stuff, but busch and muller sell kit to convert power from must hubs to power most electronic kit. Most small electronic phones. etc use low wattage so the power of Son is all you need. Check the forums of crazyguy. All the article on long distance cyclists have discussions on kit. Recharge times are slower.
I run a b&m lumotec cyo senseo and it works really well. Too bright for commuting use. I have to point it downward, not as bright as the 200 pound bracket battery lights, but they are overkill for on road cycling. They blind oncomers, and make people swerve to avoid the beam of light. If price is no obstacle then pick what you want. I would always be a bit wary of high price kit when travelling. kit that is reliable and has a high price i am torn by.
I found this post from looking into the Edelux. its won quite a few awards recently, and given Schmidts skills, i would not be too suprised that is very good. I trust Schmidt. specification.
http://www.nabendynamo.de/produkte/pdf/ ... Edelux.pdf
I umming as the cyo is all i need but am tempted by something more bright/different. Though it might be too bright.
btw, i have just picked up a son20 and have laced it to a 700c wheel. we'll see how it works out. The normal son is just brilliant, works come what may.
Hope you have a good ride in the summer.
Thank you, LLerac, for your input (and thank you very much for the kind words. It's will e my fourth 1.800+ km. tour, and the first for my sweetheart. I hope she enjoys it as much as I do).
Indeed, I do occasionally visit CrazyGuyOnaBike.com for randonneuring or bicycle touring articles.
Have you yourself used the Busch & Müller's E-Werk?0 -
Always Tyred wrote:People don't seem to know what you are asking about. I certainly don't. 3000km is further than most of us commute.
I couldn't find a touring forum on BikeRadar.com, therefore posted under the Commuting section.
Yes, apparently, most people here are not very knowledgeable in the matters of dynamoes, chargers, etc.0 -
I have been using a SON28 and an Edelux since October and I have been very happy with both. From what I read before buying the SON28, I think using a SON20 will give a slightly higher rolling resistance, but the light wont flicker at very low speeds. To tell the truth my Edelux only flickers when I'm pushing the bike and I can't feel any difference in rolling resistance between the SON28 and the original hub anyway.
The Edelux light is plenty bright enough for riding along unlit lanes, the beam I'd specifically shaped for the road and there is a definately cut off at about windscreen height so you don't dazzle on coming traffic. I think the supernova lights don't have this and are more for trail use?Dolan Preffisio
2010 Cube Agree SL0 -
Uebermensch wrote:- Would you recommend any of the Supernova models, the SON Edelux or the B&M Lumotec IQ Cyo? Our main object is to illuminate the road optimally at night in the course of our journey. There are secondary preference criteria, such as design (I think, a red Edelux or a red Supernova would be most fitting), and, of course, if any of the afore-mentioned lights requires less power while illuminating as brightly or brighter, it could most likely be the one to go for.
Here is my take on it: They will all work well for your purpose, so you can't really go wrong.
The B&M IQ Cyo Sport (the model I use) is the cheapest and most popular model of the three. B&M's indirect LED reflector and optics is what everybody else copies or buy from B&M. Can be had for around 60 Euro.
The SON Edelux is a luxurious edition of the B&M Cyo. It uses the same optical system from B&M as the Cyo, and AFAIK the same LED. It is slightly more powerful than the Cyo because it has better cooling. It also has better shielding so it is less likely to interfere with wireless cyclo-computers.
Can be had for around 125 Euro
The traffic friendly Supernova: "E3 Pro with glare-free (asymmetrical) lens.". is the one to get of their many models. It is heavier than the Edelux (140 vs. 85 gram), and perhaps more powerful (haven't seen it tested yet). I think its higher output is because it draws more power than usual (they talk about it drawing 0.4 watt more than the German StVZO law allows.), so it probably requires slightly more pedal power to use.
165-175 Euro.
The Cyo is the most value for money and absolutely great regarding light output. The Edelux is perhaps worth the extra money for its fine design.
The E3 Pro is a new model and can only be bought directly from the company, so I have no experience with it, nor know anybody that own one. They do however give 5 years warranty.
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I have both an Supernova E3 Pro "glare free" and a Edelux (plus Solidlights. They are similar in performance, however the Supernova does put more light on the ground and as such has become my primary commuting light.0
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Hi,
just adding my 2 cents.
* Lighting:
I fully agree to Interestedcp's posting. Moreover, I confirm that my B&M Cyo Sport (model 175QRSNDi-04) does indeed interfere with wireless cyclo-computers, in my case an Outbreaker TS110. On the other hand, my Cyo illuminated a dry descending road at about 45mph sufficiently bright for me which I never thought possible before the Cyo appeared on the market.
Cyo & Edelux are compliant to German traffic laws, the dyno-powered Supernova E3 Pro even with an anti-glare lens is not - the price list says "Not yet compliant with German traffic regulations". I guess Edelux and Supernova E3 are slightly better in terms of emblazing as the Cyo and have a better shielding (metal vs. plastic). Taking weight and price into account, next time I'd go for the Edelux.
* Power supply:
I personally use the E-Werk of B&M and it works quite well in combination with my Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox N100 navigator (recently tested on a 150km long ride through the night on my road bike). B&M also claims to be compatible to the Garmin GPSMap 60CSx; see http://www.bumm.de/docu/download/361-liste.pdf. I am not sure if the ReeCharger and V4i allow to adjust current & voltage and can be made splash and rain water proof.
Be aware that charging any device while cycling at night is likely to reduce the light intensity. That's what I've read in another cycling forum although I found the illumination of my Cyo still sufficient. For this reason I'd like to be able to turn the charger off at night to check the difference.
* Tires:
Sorry, no experience with 26". I prefer the Continental GP 4000S in 28".
In any case, I wish you best of luck & fun for your cycling tour in Europe.0 -
Rainer-en-route wrote:Hi,
just adding my 2 cents.
* Lighting:
I fully agree to Interestedcp's posting. Moreover, I confirm that my B&M Cyo Sport (model 175QRSNDi-04) does indeed interfere with wireless cyclo-computers, in my case an Outbreaker TS110. On the other hand, my Cyo illuminated a dry descending road at about 45mph sufficiently bright for me which I never thought possible before the Cyo appeared on the market.
Cyo & Edelux are compliant to German traffic laws, the dyno-powered Supernova E3 Pro even with an anti-glare lens is not - the price list says "Not yet compliant with German traffic regulations". I guess Edelux and Supernova E3 are slightly better in terms of emblazing as the Cyo and have a better shielding (metal vs. plastic). Taking weight and price into account, next time I'd go for the Edelux.
* Power supply:
I personally use the E-Werk of B&M and it works quite well in combination with my Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox N100 navigator (recently tested on a 150km long ride through the night on my road bike). B&M also claims to be compatible to the Garmin GPSMap 60CSx; see http://www.bumm.de/docu/download/361-liste.pdf. I am not sure if the ReeCharger and V4i allow to adjust current & voltage and can be made splash and rain water proof.
Be aware that charging any device while cycling at night is likely to reduce the light intensity. That's what I've read in another cycling forum although I found the illumination of my Cyo still sufficient. For this reason I'd like to be able to turn the charger off at night to check the difference.
* Tires:
Sorry, no experience with 26". I prefer the Continental GP 4000S in 28".
In any case, I wish you best of luck & fun for your cycling tour in Europe.
Thank you for your advice & the regards, Rainer & all the other posters.
I'd ordered the Edelux, but am about to cancel the order and go for the SuperNova E3 Pro (Asymmetric or the Triple).
Rainer, how long does it generally take the E-Werk (in combination with your dynamo) to charge your PocketPC to the brim, with the light on and off?
cordially,
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