PTP - Milan-San Remo
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Congrats Arkibal, csp and Ridgerider.
Scores from Milan-San RemoName Score ---------------------------- 1 Arkibal 50 2 csp 50 3 Ridgerider 50 4 Abdoujaparov 40 5 alanmcn1 40 6 Bronzie 40 7 brucey72 40 8 Cumulonimbus 40 9 Dazza2280 40 10 FJS 40 11 guinea 40 12 iainf72 40 13 Jokull 40 14 jp1985 40 15 LangerDan 40 16 mididoctors 40 17 miffed 40 18 millar time 40 19 NicFrance 40 20 pb21 40 21 Pokerface 40 22 Rick Chasey 40 23 Snorebens 40 24 thomasmc 40 25 Timoid. 40 26 8can 35 27 afx237vi 35 28 archieboy 35 29 eh 35 30 Kléber 35 31 Pross 35 32 TakeTheHighRoad 35 33 Allez Mark 25 34 andyp 25 35 Ash_ 25 36 camerone 25 37 dougzz 25 38 Garrigou 25 39 graham56 25 40 greeny12 25 41 Greggyr 25 42 HenryS 25 43 hommelbier 25 44 johnfinch 25 45 PascalPati 25 46 richard w/a baum 25 47 Richrd2205 25 48 scwxx77 25 49 skut 25 50 slimreaper 25 51 Tusher 25 52 BikeMissle 20 53 Dave_1 20 54 kitten2010 20 55 oscarbudgie 20 56 Oz Chief 20 57 stagehopper 20 58 RichN95 10 59 Cheshire_Cat 5 60 dodsi 5 61 GroupOfOne 5 62 Neil McC 5 63 NervexProf 5 64 Art Vandelay 0 65 bring_back_jan 0 66 Cal_Stewart 0 67 calvjones 0 68 DaveyL 0 69 DavMartinR 0 70 deal 0 71 deejay 0 72 French Fries 0 73 gattocattivo 0 74 Gazzaputt 0 75 haggisinlondon 0 76 inkyfingers 0 77 jimycooper 0 78 johnmclean 0 79 josame 0 80 ju5t1n 0 81 liamg 0 82 londonrunner 0 83 Monty Dog 0 84 Moomaloid 0 85 mr_poll 0 86 Ms Tree 0 87 ninjaslim 0 88 Noodley 0 89 paul27 0 90 percival 0 91 petejuk 0 92 ratsbeyfus 0 93 redddragon 0 94 Rhods 0 95 SecretSqirrel 0 96 seven7faces 0 97 ShockedSoShocked 0 98 simon johnson 0 99 Slapshot 0 100 Sonny73 0 101 stanislav 0 102 stefrees 0 103 stfc1 0 104 stjohnswell 0 105 tforonda 0 106 The Prodigy 0 107 TheStone 0
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Thanks AFX. Looks like FJS extends his lead!0
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Just as my beautiful Freire was racking up some early season points, I was riding an almost identical route in the uk from Eastbourne to Hastings along the Sussex Riviera,,,how spookyHalf man, Half bike0
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Or you could have said... "Looks like Ridgerider is off the bottom of the table".Kléber wrote:Thanks AFX. Looks like FJS extends his lead!Half man, Half bike0 -
At last! I have a few points- thanks afx, it really added something extra to watching the race today.0
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spent all ay telling people Boonen would win, and only just realised I picked EBH. Bad form."A cyclist has nothing to lose but his chain"
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RichN95 wrote:It's so open this year I reckon there will be a surprise winner:
Maxim Iglinskiy
(I originally put Petacchi, but decided to gamble)
This illustrates something that I mentioned before in the PTP thread. Maxim came 8th (and did anyone else even consider him?) That shows better punditry than picking a favourite like Boonen. A bit of flair and gambling.
I've said it before, but unique choices should count double.Twitter: @RichN950 -
I think PTP is about picking winners,. Only three people picked Freire, so that should also count as a unique choice.0
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I agree with RichN95 - although the admin of recording unique winners would be unworkable for afx or anyone else doing the scoring. There is also the thing with others copying what initially was a unique, original choice. If someone would have copied your Iglinsky pick, would that make your original choice less original? But perhaps extra points for winners would already help - the safe/sensible bet currently is often someone likely to win the bunch sprint, even if 2nd or 3rd after a breakaway; especially in the stages of small tours.0
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Don't get me wrong, I think picking someone unique is great. I hated to see the names of EBH and Boonen page after page, but I don't think extra points should be awarded for picking someone, that nobody else picked. Last year I uniquely picked Gerdemann for Eroica (he was 5th) and Astarloza for one Tour stage (he was 1st), but I wouldn't have wanted any extra points for that.0
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Maybe you could have the return on the starting odds at the bookies? ie, voeckler wins a breakaway at 50-1 to win the stage, 50 points goes to anyone who picked him. Cav has starting odds of 3-1 and wins the bunch sprint, 3 points go to the people who picked him. Gets a bit awkward once you get down to points with fifth place and all the decimals.
and no, im not volunteering to do it
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It works well already.
To use the example of betting odds, they are always long as there is rarely a favourite, especially for one day races and stages. Even picking Boonen for the Tour of Flanders is never a sure thing; Contador is perhaps the ultimate "banker" but he only just won Paris-Nice and had his crash been harder then he could have abandoned. In other words there are no "dead certs" in the sport, it's open to tactics, the weather and more. That's what makes the sport so interesting. I would get bored following Manchester Utd verus Wigan for example, the likely result means I'd spend my time watching something else.
I don't see the game as broke so it doesn't need fixing, especially since changes imply a lot more admin work. Besides, if you make a unique pick and you win... then you win, well done! 8)0 -
Yeah i generally agree, its not as if everyone picked the winner of MSR or even got a high place.* For those of us who spend too much time scanning through cycling results it would be interesting to see a pick an outsider choice although people would then argue about what an outsider was defined as. And again, im not volunteering for it, i spend too much time looking through cycling results to have time to do that as well At the end of the day, if you keep on picking outsiders that win or place then maybe you should be spending more time down the bookies than on this forum
*of cyclingnews' favourites for MSR
Boonen - 2nd
Pozzatto - 29th
EBH -100+
Pettacchi - 3rd
Cancellara - 17th
Freire, the winner was ranked 9th.0 -
WRT to the idea about unique picks getting more points, wouldn't that penalise people who post their picks early in the thread and benefit the people who leave it until the last minute? I dunno, I think that would only be fair if we had a secret ballot type method of posting picks.
I do agree that the "Contador problem" sometimes leads to boring PTP threads, but I also think csp is right - PTP is about naming winners. I'm not really sure what the solution is, other than maybe banning certain selections when the winner is overwhelmingly obvious. But then as Kléber says - nothing in cycling is ever an absolute dead-cert.0 -
RichN95 wrote:RichN95 wrote:It's so open this year I reckon there will be a surprise winner:
Maxim Iglinskiy
(I originally put Petacchi, but decided to gamble)
This illustrates something that I mentioned before in the PTP thread. Maxim came 8th (and did anyone else even consider him?) That shows better punditry than picking a favourite like Boonen. A bit of flair and gambling.
I've said it before, but unique choices should count double.
I think it's possible to take things too seriously! I scored nothing for Pozzato, but he had a go in the final 2km and it was a bit of fun. Which, let's face it, is what PTP is.
Afx does a sterling job, I say we leave him to it.0 -
RichN95 wrote:
This illustrates something that I mentioned before in the PTP thread. Maxim came 8th (and did anyone else even consider him?) That shows better punditry than picking a favourite like Boonen. A bit of flair and gambling.
I've said it before, but unique choices should count double.
Surely those displaying the best punditry (is that even a word!) for MSR were the people who picked Freire? I picked Bennati, who beat your pick by 3 places, ergo my punditry skills are better than yours for that race, but not as good as those who picked Freire, Boonen or Petacchi (no-one picked Modolo).
Over the course of a season it is the person who consistently does well who wins. Surely that's how it should be?0 -
stfc1 wrote:
I think it's possible to take things too seriously! I scored nothing for Pozzato, but he had a go in the final 2km and it was a bit of fun. Which, let's face it, is what PTP is.
Afx does a sterling job, I say we leave him to it.
If I was taking it seriously I would have picked Boonen. AFX does indeed do a superb job and there's nothing really wrong with the game as it stands.
But it's worth airing suggestions for improvements, even if they are flawed. Maybe it's because I'm a hockey player - a sport that without fail changes the rules every single season (usually for the better).Twitter: @RichN950 -
There already is a bonus for original picks, although not in points, but simply in the satisfaction of it - I enjoyed the 5 points I got for Lorenzetto in a Paris-Nice stage a lot more than the 40 for Boonen on Saturday. It's just like cycling - the most impressive attack doesn't always win, but still can get rewards through admirationRichN95 wrote:If I was taking it seriously I would have picked Boonen. AFX does indeed do a superb job and there's nothing really wrong with the game as it stands.0 -
I think the current system rewards gambles.
If everyone's gone for the favourite and your outside bet wins, you get a fair few points on all the other players.
Similarly if your outside bet doesn't win, you lose ground to everyone esle.
The reward for an outsider winning is definitely bigger than the reward for picking a favourite in terms of relative performance.0
