wheels and forks - revelations

morleyman200
morleyman200 Posts: 513
edited March 2010 in MTB buying advice
i want to buy new forks, but they have 15 mm through axels, at the moment i have QR axels, what new hubs, or wheels would be good for XC / all mountain riding under budget :lol:
or can i adjust my hubs to cope with through axels?

tom
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  • what hubs do you have currently?

    For a new wheel, merlincycles.co.uk get a custom front wheel, dt db spokes, hope pro II 15mm, mavic 719 rims.
  • Bontrager Sealed front hub, and its a QR,
  • hmmmmmm, probably cannot convert it.

    New wheel methinks unless someone comes along knowing categorically that they can.
  • http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/mountain- ... dt4-2.html

    will these be ok? they say comes as QR but with a conversion kit for 15mm, but are they man enough for all mountain terrain?
  • if i wanted these forks,

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=47093

    what sort of good wheels can you recommend? not much then just over £100 for the wheels? and i will only want to buy the front.

    tom
  • Front wheel from Merlin, Hope pro 2 hub, Mavic XM719 rim & ACI black DB spokes comes in at £101 with rim tape. Sounds just the job for what you want.
  • Those wheels are fine, a little bit tarty and the straight pull spokes can be a pain to get hold of quickly. There are some reports of the dt rims being a little soft.

    TBH i'd rather have some revelation teams and a 20mm maxle over the foxes but each to their own.


    I hope you like expensive servicing if you get the foxes :wink:
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    What fork are you upgrading from and what is the bike?
  • i was looking at the revelations and i quite like the look of them, so what wheel combinations would you go for?

    tom
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    If you want xc wheels then go for the hope pro II on DT XR 400:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=18789

    Cost £100 and its exactly the same as the pro 3 build but can take a 20mm axel as well as a 15mm or standard QR
  • forks currently are RockShox Recon 335 SL
  • bomberesque
    bomberesque Posts: 1,701
    Revelations will be 20mm not 15 I'm reasonably sure (unless RS adopted 15mm while I wasn't paying attention?)

    You can get a front wheel built by merlin with a quality rim, DB spokes and 15 or 20mm bolt tho hub for 100 I'm fairly sure. Hope Pro2s are convertible so you're safe with them (although you have to buy the conversion kit).

    For the rim I'd probably choose a Mavic and match it widthwise with the rear, what's on there at the moment? Probably a Mavic 317/517/717 depending on your budget

    Assuming a 20mm thro hub and XC rims I'd probably choose from Merlin;

    DT Comp S/S DB, XC717 Disc, XT Splined Disc 20mm 90 quid or,
    ACI S/S DB, XM317 Non Disc, SLX Splined Disc 20mm 63 quid

    if you want 15mm than I think you'll need to spring for a Hope Pro2 hub, about 10-15 quid more.
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  • llamafarmer
    llamafarmer Posts: 1,893
    peter413 wrote:
    If you want xc wheels then go for the hope pro II on DT XR 400:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=18789

    Cost £100 and its exactly the same as the pro 3 build but can take a 20mm axel as well as a 15mm or standard QR

    Except the Pro 3 is a 24 hole straight pull :wink:
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    peter413 wrote:
    If you want xc wheels then go for the hope pro II on DT XR 400:

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=18789

    Cost £100 and its exactly the same as the pro 3 build but can take a 20mm axel as well as a 15mm or standard QR

    Except the Pro 3 is a 24 hole straight pull :wink:

    Okay I meant it has the same rim as that he wnted and it was still a hope hub with DT spokes :roll:
  • morleyman200
    morleyman200 Posts: 513
    edited March 2010
    well this is my bike.
    http://www.evanscycles.com/products/tre ... e-ec016519

    it actually says i have 130mm travel. would it be ok if i put 140mm travel forks on it, just an extra 10mm?

    2nd thing

    so how about this for a combination?

    DT Comp S/S DB, XC717 Disc, XT Splined Disc 20mm -- £90

    Rockshox Revelation 409 dual air:

    http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/marzocchi ... l-air.html

    they are 130mm, but do they take 20mm or 15mm axel?
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    well this is my bike.
    http://www.evanscycles.com/products/tre ... e-ec016519

    it actually says i have 130mm travel. would it be ok if i put 140mm travel forks on it, just an extra 10mm?

    2nd thing

    so how about this for a combination?

    DT Comp S/S DB, XC717 Disc, XT Splined Disc 20mm -- £90

    Rockshox Revelation 409 dual air:

    http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/marzocchi ... l-air.html

    they are 130mm, but do they take 20mm or 15mm axel?

    Well they are rockshox so probably 20mm unless they are QR
  • http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/marzocchi ... -lite.html

    how about them and change the travel?
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120

    They are a 20mm axel but I don't know if you can cahnge the travel on u-turn models except with the u-turn knob obviously :roll:
  • right last time, what about these forks and wheels?

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=36894

    and

    http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Mode ... elID=40925 (maxle lite option)

    tom
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    If you get a wheel on a regular Pro 2 hub, it can be converted to QR, 20mm or 15mm, no bother.

    Those Revelations (2010 Teams) are what I have, they are absolutely fantastic and quite expensive ;) A cheaper option would be the older Revelations, the motion control damping isn't quite as good and the chassis is a wee bit heavier but they're still great forks and would save you a big chunk of change.

    If you were to get a non-uturn Rockshox (ie, fixed length) you can change the sizing internally, they call it all-travel, basically open it up and change spacers.

    What do you actually want from this change? Those Recons are decent forks, not amazing but solid enough performers.
    Uncompromising extremist
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    Northwind wrote:
    If you get a wheel on a regular Pro 2 hub, it can be converted to QR, 20mm or 15mm, no bother.

    Those Revelations (2010 Teams) are what I have, they are absolutely fantastic and quite expensive ;) A cheaper option would be the older Revelations, the motion control damping isn't quite as good and the chassis is a wee bit heavier but they're still great forks and would save you a big chunk of change.

    If you were to get a non-uturn Rockshox (ie, fixed length) you can change the sizing internally, they call it all-travel, basically open it up and change spacers.

    What do you actually want from this change? Those Recons are decent forks, not amazing but solid enough performers.

    Yeah but the new revelations have power bulges as well don't they?
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    Yep they do, it's a totally new fork I think, lots more mud clearance too. But, is all that worth it? Teams are £525 new, 140mm 426s with a QR are £300 :shock: Not going to say my Teams aren't better than my 426s, they're a fair bit better but that's a big saving. (I wanted the 150mm travel is all)
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  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    Northwind wrote:
    Yep they do, it's a totally new fork I think, lots more mud clearance too. But, is all that worth it? Teams are £525 new, 140mm 426s with a QR are £300 :shock: Not going to say my Teams aren't better than my 426s, they're a fair bit better but that's a big saving. (I wanted the 150mm travel is all)

    If your going to spend that money then get some fox 32 talas. But then I'm just like that ain't I :lol:
  • well, i want to have a wheel and fork which is much more stronger, and also more reliable, and the fork with more adjustment, as when i'm doing sketchy rocky downhill parts on a track i want confidence in my kit, and im not sure if the recons give me that top confidence to really put the bike places i really want it to be.

    i have found older revelations, with U turn, but the thing is, they only come with a QR axle, do people still use these for rocky downhill sections on tracks, are they strong enough to cope. or would it be best to get a 15mm or 20mm axle, i do like the look of the 15mm maxle lite from rockshox.

    so what would you get Northwind?

    would you buy the new revs or would you try and find some older ones?

    tom
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    i have found older revelations, with U turn, but the thing is, they only come with a QR axle, do people still use these for rocky downhill sections on tracks, are they strong enough to cope. or would it be best to get a 15mm or 20mm axle, i do like the look of the 15mm maxle lite from rockshox.
    tom

    Me and Northwind were going down Falla Brae today and it was really quite rough today and I am using standard QR fox f100 from 2004 and they coped fine. Can't see a need to go to a thru axel anytime soon
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    edited March 2010
    QR is IMO fine for all that. Maxle is better but not so much better IMO. Others disagree mind.

    I have 3 to compare :lol: 130mm QR 08 Revelations, 140mm maxle 09 Revelations and now 150mm maxle 10 Revelation Teams. They are all very good really, I don't think the maxle is worth getting excited about on the 2009 model, it adds a heck of a lot of weight and it's stiffer but the QR one is stiff enough IMO- going between the 3 I've never once thought "Oh, this QR fork is too weak". My wheels and tyres have a bigger impact.

    I'm not sure what I'd get in your position, if you want 140mm. I'd check out Fox 32s and the new Recon maybe but most likely I'd be on Ebay looking for a used 426 Revelation. Lots of people will be replacing them I reckon. Others would recommend Pikes, I'm not so sure, they're strong as hell but how many people need that? The 2010 Revelation Race is maybe a good option too, not tried that but it's very light for the QR one and should work very well. Loads of good options, there's not many bad forks out there so it's more about finding the one that's right for you.



    Maxle Lite is a 20mm axle not 15mm, Rockshox don't do any 15mms.
    Uncompromising extremist
  • peter413
    peter413 Posts: 5,120
    Northwind wrote:
    Others would recommend Pikes, I'm not so sure, they're strong as hell but how many people need that?

    I was using Pikes on a chameleon a few weeks ago and they were great. Pretty light and yes stiff as hell. Dare I say it they were better than my foxes :cry:
  • well i am looking at 130mm forks, so i was told i should get the revelations and use the U turn to keep them at 130mm rather then 140mm,

    well i think i might get some 2009 revelations with QR and then that saves me having to buy new wheels.

    i was looking at fox's, but i would rather rock shoxs, not as expensive to sort if they go wrong :lol:

    what sort of mazarrochi forks are there? or would you stick with rock shox?
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    well i am looking at 130mm forks, so i was told i should get the revelations and use the U turn to keep them at 130mm rather then 140mm,

    well i think i might get some 2009 revelations with QR and then that saves me having to buy new wheels.

    If you're going to leave it at 130mm then the standard 130mm Revs (or 140mm spacered down) are simpler than the u-turn, less things to go wrong. Usually cheaper too!

    I don't honestly know what's best for you. I would get this, if buying new, probably:

    http://www.jejamescycles.co.uk/rockshox ... 47805.html

    Otherwise I'd be on ebay. I think I paid £160 for my 130mm Revelations, they might be older but they're still ace. But, I like Rockshox. Other brands are available ;) And I like Revelations, there will be Recons and other stuff that would suit you. A Tora 318 would be good if you don't mind the weight too.

    Sorry I can't give you one answer! I don't think it's that clearcut.But I can think of about 5 different forks you could get that would all be very good.
    Uncompromising extremist