Using IE?

nicklouse
nicklouse Posts: 50,673
edited January 2010 in The Crudcatcher
Well the German Government tells its users to change.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8463516.stm
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  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    I can't bear to look at the abortion never mind use it. lol.
  • missmarple
    missmarple Posts: 1,980
    blister pus wrote:
    I can't bear to look at the abortion never mind use it. lol.

    Is abortion the correct word?
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    very correct.
  • bobpzero
    bobpzero Posts: 1,431
    so in plain english using IE for internet banking even if youve got kaspersky internet security lots of bad things will happen? is this just a "oh no it wont" "oh yes it will" continuation? where's the absolute truth when you need it :roll:
  • El Capitano
    El Capitano Posts: 6,400
    I don't believe anything our Government says, why should I take any notice of the German one?
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  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    There is no absolute truth. Keep your system updated (Windows update), keep your system clean, reset your browser security levels from time to time, keep your malware applications up to date and do regular scans and checks. Use CCleaner to clean, it also clears the browser cache out, do that before you do an online banking session and you're as safe as you're going to be without twisting yourself in knots. It's still easier and safer to use Firefox though for a number of reasons but if you follow the above you'll be fine with either browser.
  • Andy
    Andy Posts: 8,207
    I use Google Chrome :D
  • toby_winkler
    toby_winkler Posts: 1,298
    Andy wrote:
    I use Google Chrome :D

    +1. By far the best browser available at the moment, and its still in beta!
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  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    Toby_Winkler wrote:
    +1. By far the best browser available at the moment, and its still in beta!

    Well it's not by definition. It's still beta. It's way off yet. And still has security issues (like the others) and is still only there to hook you into google services.
  • butcher of bakersfield
    butcher of bakersfield Posts: 1,233
    blister pus wrote:
    Toby_Winkler wrote:
    +1. By far the best browser available at the moment, and its still in beta!

    Well it's not by definition. It's still beta. It's way off yet. And still has security issues (like the others) and is still only there to hook you into google services.

    It does work very well though. Asking what is the best browser is like asking what is better: mac or pc? Each to their own really? They all have their merits.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    It does work very well though.
    Well, no. It works, it's in beta and is still crashing regularly if you check status / change logs.
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    Asking what is the best browser is like asking what is better: mac or pc?
    Well, no again. You have basic working criteria, like security, performance, stability, etc etc. So "best overall" would probably be Firefox. Whether an individual "likes" using it or gels with the interface as an end user is separate.
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    Each to their own really? They all have their merits.
    Absolutely. Be aware and use what you want - and balance a jam sandwich on your head if you want.
  • butcher of bakersfield
    butcher of bakersfield Posts: 1,233
    blister pus wrote:
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    It does work very well though.
    Well, no. It works, it's in beta and is still crashing regularly if you check status / change logs.

    As is firefox :wink:
    blister pus wrote:
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    Asking what is the best browser is like asking what is better: mac or pc?
    Well, no again. You have basic working criteria, like security, performance, stability, etc etc. So "best overall" would probably be Firefox. Whether an individual "likes" using it or gels with the interface as an end user is separate.

    Despite Microsoft's adversion to adhering to any kind of standards, IE actually works very well, if not better that FF. And any security flaws in Chrome are less likely to be targeted because of it's relatively low usage.

    That said, I don't really disagree with what you say. Chrome's yet to be improved, but in terms of simplicity and speed it's miles ahead of the rest, if not behind in other areas.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    blister pus wrote:
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    It does work very well though.
    Well, no. It works, it's in beta and is still crashing regularly if you check status / change logs.

    As is firefox :wink:

    That's pretty baseless, the bulk of Firefox crashes are down to what's on a system already. And a Firefox crash is far more retrievable than any other because it's stand alone and easily fixable. ...
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    Despite Microsoft's adversion to adhering to any kind of standards, IE actually works very well, if not better that FF.

    IE, on the other hand, works fine in a Windows system because it's hardwired into the core OS which is also it's weakness and has been from day one. 8 tries to deal with a lot of the fundamental flaws but still fails miserably but it's the implementation and execution of the final product that's an object lesson in how not to design a browser from UI down. Firefox and Chrome p!ss on it from that stand point.
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    And any security flaws in Chrome are less likely to be targeted because of it's relatively low usage.

    Well there's still fundamental flaws that need ironing out but that's very true and Firefox has sat in IEs slipstream for a long time in that respect. But obviously as market share increases so do the attacks and exploits and that applies to any browser.
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    Chrome's yet to be improved, but in terms of simplicity and speed it's miles ahead of the rest, if not behind in other areas.

    Different browser philosophies that's all. Others would say what it lacks is it's Achilles heel. And rendering speeds are getting to be virtually indistinguishable from each other at this point from a human perception point of view.
  • butcher of bakersfield
    butcher of bakersfield Posts: 1,233
    I'll not mention Opera, Safari... :)
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    I hate 'em all.

    WHen I used chrome I got stuck with one font size.
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  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    I'll not mention Opera, Safari... :)

    Opera is actually a valid alternative and it's slick. The only downside with it is some sites simply don't render properly in it. Safari outside of it's native platform needs work.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    supersonic wrote:
    I hate 'em all.

    WHen I used chrome I got stuck with one font size.

    you want more?

    get over yourself. :P
  • whyamihere
    whyamihere Posts: 7,716
    The reason I won't use Chrome: NoScript. You can't install NoScript on Chrome, and that's a gigantic thing for me. I really do hate Firefox. It's an awful browser nowadays. It is, however, the only one I'll use, because of NoScript.

    Chrome does have other annoyances, like a lack of RSS bookmark support, but I can live with those.
  • butcher of bakersfield
    butcher of bakersfield Posts: 1,233
    blister pus wrote:
    butcher of bakersfield wrote:
    I'll not mention Opera, Safari... :)

    Opera is actually a valid alternative and it's slick. The only downside with it is some sites simply don't render properly in it. Safari outside of it's native platform needs work.

    Yeah, I used to use Opera as my main browser, but kept FF aside for certain sites. That's really more down to developers though. And admittedly, being a developer myself, and Opera only having something like 2% of the market share, I often neglect it myself when deadlines are tight. You'll generally find the same issues in Chrome and Safari since they're all WebKit browsers.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    whyamihere wrote:
    The reason I won't use Chrome: NoScript. You can't install NoScript on Chrome, and that's a gigantic thing for me. I really do hate Firefox. It's an awful browser nowadays. It is, however, the only one I'll use, because of NoScript.

    Chrome does have other annoyances, like a lack of RSS bookmark support, but I can live with those.
    In what way do you think it's awful nowadays out of interest?
  • whyamihere
    whyamihere Posts: 7,716
    There's getting far too much bloat in it. Firefox was originally designed as a light, small, fast browser with pretty basic raw functionality, which could them be added onto with your choice of extensions. It's becoming an oversized monster.

    Awesomebar - crap
    Safe browsing thingy - crap, at least you can turn it off

    It's also STILL got memory leak issues.
  • blister pus
    blister pus Posts: 5,610
    Was inevitable I'm afraid, demand for features and whatnot. I've used it from the first phoenix and still got a phoenix 0.5 exe somewhere. The extensions and extension system is the root cause for any memory leaks left over these days. If you look at the roadmap for 4 I think you'll see a slimming down and major revamp of the current extensions system. I tend to agree with you. And it seems like mozdevs do too.
  • missmarple
    missmarple Posts: 1,980
    I don't like Safari, it renders my PNG images a different colour and messes up the DIVs on my pages - Mozilla is much better!
  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    the french jump on the band wagon.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8465038.stm
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  • nicklouse
    nicklouse Posts: 50,673
    Mozilla must be rubbing their hands.
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  • bails87
    bails87 Posts: 12,998
    I've used FF for years, but have actually switched to Opera because someone mentioned it here :?

    Thought I'd give something else a try, might have a go with Chrome too.
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  • thekickingmule
    thekickingmule Posts: 7,957
    I'm using Chrome here. I like the simplicity of it. Doesn't seem to fancy and crowded with add-ons etc. Seems pretty quick too to be honest.
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  • projectsome
    projectsome Posts: 4,010
    I hate IE. FF all the way.
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  • flamedude
    flamedude Posts: 119
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    My life rocks because of IE. I love IE. I love it. *sob*
  • Andy
    Andy Posts: 8,207
    whyamihere wrote:
    The reason I won't use Chrome: NoScript. You can't install NoScript on Chrome, and that's a gigantic thing for me. I really do hate Firefox. It's an awful browser nowadays. It is, however, the only one I'll use, because of NoScript.

    Chrome does have other annoyances, like a lack of RSS bookmark support, but I can live with those.

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