Orange P7.... Built? (p13)
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sram sram sram sram sram.0
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http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgur ... s%3Disch:1
Top pull (you can use dual pull), see by the pics the routing goes along top tube.
Conventional (bottom swing)
X0 isn't fragile, but don't think it would suit the build, would be XT all day if it was me
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bigbenj_08 wrote:
lol you just woken up?sheepsteeth wrote:sram sram sram sram sram.
nah, im interested in the build but seeing as all the talk was about shimano shifting, i idnt want to stick my beak in (although i see no reason not to use a deore front mech, they are my current fave although i no longer have a bike wih one fitted)
however, i really prefer sram shifters and rear mechs. i hve owned modern xt and they were great but i think i am too ham fisted for it.0 -
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beware with that mech, i think the band will get in the way of the bottle mounts, the pic on oranges website shows a different type of mech fitted
top swing: http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/mountain- ... -mech.html0 -
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bigbenj_08 wrote:ahaa good shout sheeps!
I had thought the bottle mounts were quite low!
Yep he's right so it looks like Da Mighty Chicken has the wrong mech too
Then you will need this one:
http://www.merlincycles.co.uk/mountain- ... -mech.html0 -
Doh, sheeps posted the link and I didn't even see it!!! 0
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i only know cause i had the same issue on my crush but used it anyway as i didnt use a bottle cage but had to leave a bolt removed. its no problem really but if a certain mech is supposed to be used, i would say that mech should be used really.0
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Ok..
Pimp package- (very pricey, wil take a bit longer to build)
SRAM xo redwin rear dérailleur and shifters, x9 front mech
semi pimp packages- (ok pricewise)
SRAM xo redwin rear dérailleur, x9 shifters and front mech
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Saint rear dérailleur, xt shifters and front mech
Sensible (boring) package-
XT all round0 -
i would use x9 shifters, xo rear mech (although it feels no different to x9) and a shimano front mech,0
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bigbenj_08 wrote:Ok..
Pimp package- (very pricey, wil take a bit longer to build)
SRAM xo redwin rear dérailleur and shifters, x9 front mech
semi pimp packages- (ok pricewise)
SRAM xo redwin rear dérailleur, x9 shifters and front mech
or
Saint rear dérailleur, xt shifters and front mech
Sensible (boring) package-
XT all round
LOL - you do make me laugh.
What's so boring about XT? Proven top-drawer kit, looks good but not spangly, and performs faultlessly in UK conditions, reliable, solid shifting. If yuo run full length outers, it's virtually Maintenance free. And doesn't cost £300 more importantly.
Never buy SRAM front mechs, they are not that great, and in no way better than Shimano.
XO is nice, I love the way it shifts and it's very pimp (not lighter then XTR though) hence why I specced it on the racebike. Now although I have it on the Marin, I wouldn't put it on the Sanction as I don't think it 'suits' the bike. Byt that's me.
Both have their ups and downs, but I don't prefer one over the other. But for your build I would go XT.
Sram X9 is tops, exactly the same as XO just not carbon, cheaper as well.
I always seem to have X0 in my mind for certain bikes only, I really don't know why? I'm weird like that 0 -
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they do yes0
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bigbenj_08 wrote:Oh confused lol!
Do shimano front dérailleur work with SRAM shifters?
Yep, they do. But SRAM shiffters will only work with SRAM mechs.
But then again, there are SRAM named shifters that work with Shimano rear mechs.....
SO, let me summarise.
Shimano front mechs with ANY setup
SRAM (numbered: ie X7/X9/X0 ) with SRAM shifters only
Shimano rear mechs and shimano shifters.
Decided yet? 0 -
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Well... I've decided
I've decided to think about this a bit more
Buying a few odds and sods for now... gonna get my forks sorted so i'll get some oil + put the spacer in.
I think i'm a magpie... that XO redwin rear mech is lush... but I could get a whole XT groupset for that price :shock: lol.0 -
bigbenj_08 wrote:Well... I've decided
I've decided to think about this a bit more
Buying a few odds and sods for now... gonna get my forks sorted so i'll get some oil + put the spacer in.
I think i'm a magpie... that XO redwin rear mech is lush... but I could get a whole XT groupset for that price :shock: lol.
Shifting on the X0 will not be better, just different, but you have the pimpness.... for a UK trailbike, I would go XT (or X9 if cheap enough)
Put the excess case into other areas?
And X0 rear mechs don't stand up to much abuse. That's why a SAINT rear mech would be better...0 -
The Big Cheese wrote:bigbenj_08 wrote:Well... I've decided
I've decided to think about this a bit more
Buying a few odds and sods for now... gonna get my forks sorted so i'll get some oil + put the spacer in.
I think i'm a magpie... that XO redwin rear mech is lush... but I could get a whole XT groupset for that price :shock: lol.
Shifting on the X0 will not be better, just different, but you have the pimpness.... for a UK trailbike, I would go XT (or X9 if cheap enough)
Put the excess case into other areas?
And X0 rear mechs don't stand up to much abuse. That's why a SAINT rear mech would be better...
what is it about xt which makes it good for UK conditions ?0 -
If/when it breaks it only costs £40 to replace?sheepsteeth wrote:The Big Cheese wrote:bigbenj_08 wrote:Well... I've decided
I've decided to think about this a bit more
Buying a few odds and sods for now... gonna get my forks sorted so i'll get some oil + put the spacer in.
I think i'm a magpie... that XO redwin rear mech is lush... but I could get a whole XT groupset for that price :shock: lol.
Shifting on the X0 will not be better, just different, but you have the pimpness.... for a UK trailbike, I would go XT (or X9 if cheap enough)
Put the excess case into other areas?
And X0 rear mechs don't stand up to much abuse. That's why a SAINT rear mech would be better...
what is it about xt which makes it good for UK conditions ? 0 -
thatd be good all over the world i would have thought!!0
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True True!
Well i've bought a few bits so i'm happy now lol.
Looks like the white Magura Louise brakes have been discontinued which is a bit of a gutter
Just need to find some fork(ing) oil and I can get a rolling chassis built up next weekend.. really looking forward to that bit tbh... it starts to feel like its all coming together when it actually looks like a bike!0 -
XT shift better when caked in mud and gunk, whereas SRAM are a little more prone to clogging and when cables get filthy, that's not just me saying that..... been a few mentions of this in all the magazines over the last 2 years I recall. When combined with full length outer, it's pretty much fit and forget.
I do remember the X9 on my Quake struggling a bit with shite all around it, it still shifted but not smoothly.
The XO on the Marin has seen NO mud and probably won't either..... LOL - I can't bring myself to purchase/ride a road bike, so apart from when it's bone dry on the trails, I am ashamed to admit the Marin gets treated like a road bike. Hence the light parts and pimpage-ness of it..... I think I would cry if I stacked it. :oops:
The XT on the Sanction has performed faultlessly, when I took it to Cornwall at the end of last year the weather was terrible (wet/muddy slippery - there were Toranado warnings at the time) 0 -
i always thought it was the other way round and that sram performs better in mud for most people.
there is no way xt with full outers requires less fettling than sram with full outers, no way.0 -
sheepsteeth wrote:i always thought it was the other way round and that sram performs better in mud for most people.
there is no way xt with full outers requires less fettling than sram with full outers, no way.
I may have got it the wrong way round (rear mech wise, SRAM are more skeletal, less going on)
But the MBUK/WMB groupo tests stated that the XT, in a standard set up (ie exposed cable) shifted better than the comparitive X9 when the cable was exposed to mud and gunk. That was the general consensus of the test....
One thing, is that I run continual housing with my XT so cannot personnally be sure, whereas my X9 setup was exposed to the elements0 -
my experience shows that sram is better in mud (and all conditions in fact) for definates. i was running new style xtr mech and shifters wth full outer on my stumpy and sram x0/x9 on my enduro also with full outers. the xtr needed fettling all the time (and yes i do know how to set up a mech and shifters properly ) my enduro is still running with the same set up and hasnt needed touching since got the bike. the indexing on my stumpy hasnt needed touching since i fitted it and even after months with no use, both bikes went round the block last week perfectly0
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Am happy for you
Personally, I don't have a preference between Shimano and SRAM. I use both. But (for me) SRAM XO cannot be beaten on aesthetics (I'm honest about being a bike-tart :oops: ), so well made (so is XTR) but for uber-pimpness and nice shifting, it has to be SRAM.
The price is off-putting for a lot of people. If you're building a custom build, it's always cheaper to go Shimano, it's tried and tested and the new XT looks good too. It's a touch if you're buying off the peg and it comes with X0.
I wouldn't put my X0 mech on anything thats going to get ridden hard and heavy, sure Steve Peat may, but if he snmashes it off in a run, he ain't got to replace it at £140 a pop, happy mechnic-man fits him another ..... the joys of being a pro.....0
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