Boys will be boys??
Coriander
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I am often astonished at how quickly threads that start as perfectly innocent discussion points descend into personal vitriol and invective.
Now, my discussion point is:
Is this how boys debate (the, admittedly few, girls on here seldomly seem to get involved in quite the same way)?
Or is this to you just a good, heated, but interesting, discussion?
Is that how boys discuss things with their mates in the pub while we women talk about feeling, kittens and embroidery?
Or is it an internet thing and the absence of face-to-face contact means people lose all sense of proportion, civility and sense?
Now, my discussion point is:
Is this how boys debate (the, admittedly few, girls on here seldomly seem to get involved in quite the same way)?
Or is this to you just a good, heated, but interesting, discussion?
Is that how boys discuss things with their mates in the pub while we women talk about feeling, kittens and embroidery?
Or is it an internet thing and the absence of face-to-face contact means people lose all sense of proportion, civility and sense?
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This.
Reading comments on news articles is especially worse, you'd think that the population either want cars banned or cyclists hung, goes for every topic... X-box or playstation, Canon or Nikon...
btw the answer IS cycle, playstation and canon, everyone else is wrong
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Helmets
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are not discussion topics.
they tend to become ........... well i think we know.
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I tend to think it's playground behaviour enacted online with any boundaries removed.
Sometimes they are hellafunny and sometimes I just shake my head and move on.
A more work-oriented one is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forming,_storming,_norming_and_performing
A lot of it is like pub banter too. Just look at it as a more grown up version of "Your Momma" insults.
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"Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
- Terry Pratchett.
It might be more common in boys. If so I'd suggest it might be down to the differen ways men and women use language. Men tend to use words as individual tools to convey a discrete unit of information. Hence the use of 'quote and riposte' you see so often.
Women on the other hand tend to use words as emotional intesifiers, and meaning is therefore conveyed by the whole conversation in context - doesn't lend itself to a text based argument quite so well.
Debate on the internet has largely been replaced by argument. For some people a simple disagreement with a point of view becomes a personal attack, and they feel the need to defend themselves.
(Please note the qualifiers in the above sentences)
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Everyone will be passionate to a level about a particular subject (mine is Eclipses!) but when you get some entrenched view, the pack closes in for the kill.
What is annoying is when people just claim they are right and can in no way be influenced or admit there is another side. Think you know what thread I mean....
A lot however is good open, honest debate, and I an happy to hear opinions on things, and re-asses my thoughts.
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You can usually see that the crowd who have actually met, rarely rage at each other apart from the bear baiter DDD but then we just remark on his girlie thin legs in the pub
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It is amazing how enraged people can get about seemingly mundane topics though. Chain lubrication is one of the weirder ones. There was a really impassioned supporter of compacts over doubles a few days ago too.
There is certainly a tendency to disassociate what is read on here from real people I think. The commuting forum seems to attract the more level-headed interwebbers though, fortunately.
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I was wondering when someone would mention me. I like debate, in a big way (I date a lawyer cross examinations get the blood going). Debate and argumentative is how I'm programmed, I am however, respectful and socialable.
I don't think I've truly raged ever, there is difference between writing frustration and actually being frustrated. As an ex-girlfriend once told me, you cannot detect tone from text, unless described.
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it's a hard life if you don't weaken.
How true
Also nothing is off limit: Superman is a metaphor for jesus, Captain America would have been a republican, Wolverine can smell gay etc everything and I mean everything is open for a discussion (most of them started by me).
Then there is the personal insults, sweet lord it'll have you laughing for days.
Then on a good day in a good thread where the argument cannot be settled with insults and issue referencing of cannonical comics a guy/gal will dig up his her collection going back years, scan said image and then start using the images of that to prove and win the debate.
Now that's great internet discussion.
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
It's a bit more like
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Is reachable from here.
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And cures and healing wells
Personally, I think it's a shame - I don't know whether my idea had promise or was completely inept and naïve.
There again, I'm oldish and I also grew up as the middle son in a family where oldest and youngest sons were always fighting.
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I've been on another forum where the women behave far worse than the anyone on here - so I think it's an internet thing combine with the fact that men probably have a lower threshold for macho/ competetiveness/ aggressive type behaviour.
The Lavender Room on Slowtwitch is a good place to see some proper fights. Anything about right wingers being war-mongers, left wingers being commies, God existing/not existing, abortion, gay marriage, holy craparama - they're off.
Bottom line is that you're never going to change anyone's mind by scribbling away in an internet forum, so if the task is hopeless, at least have fun on the way. At someone else's expense. :P
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you're just trying to start an argument aren;t you?
Nice try Porgy
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I didn't used to believe this but you're so right
I'm told if you want to see vendettas and venom look at some bits of mumsnet.
I've too much respect for the man.
The ex' I was referencing wanted to be a English teacher, smart and educated too, went to Uni in Wincester...
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
Did she read books?
To be fair the context she was referencing was MSN messenger of which many times things have been misunderstood and arguments (not me this time) would occur.
I relate it to the internet because there are time I write something, whether here or elsewhere and people are accusing me of fuming, rage or whatever. Generally speaking if was that stressed it would be easier to turn the webpage off.
I argue because it's fun and I'm often bored as work is easy. I never subject those I respect to it though.
A true scalp is not only overtaking someone but leaving them stopped at a set of lights. As you, who have clearly beaten the lights, pummels nothing but the open air ahead. ~ 'DondaddyD'. Player of the Unspoken Game
That's a ridiculous question. You smell!