M'gTFU and learning self-defence

DonDaddyD

Yep love the old school feel about it!

I wish it wasn't set in modern day though, I love me a kung-fu film set in feudal Japan/China/Tibet sort of places. Throw in some mythology and I'm playing 'Ninja-Samurai'* for days...

*Though not so much, I own two samurai swords (not full tang so more display purposes) and hit my glasses straight on the lens during a twirl had it not been for my being a four-eyes I'd have no depth perception and probably wouldn't be abe to ride a bike.

El Diego

I have to agree with previous posters - the art of fighting without fighting is best.

If you absolutely cannot avoid it by cycling away and somehow end up cornered, then just make sure your D-Lock ends up occupying the same space your attackers face used to.

El Diego

The way of the intercepting D-Lock

snailracer

El Diego wrote:

The way of the intercepting D-Lock

Jeet D-lock Do!

El Diego

Jeet Kune D-Lock

downfader

D-Locking, across the Universe.
Boldly heading forwards,
because we cant find reverse.

girv73

Did anyone suggest Tae Kwon Leep?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Y6231uAmo

NGale

I perfer the age old art of running away.

I am however black belt in Kempo Karate and Red belt in Tae Kwon Do.

DonDaddyD

NGale wrote:

I perfer the age old art of running away.

I am however black belt in Kempo Karate and Red belt in Tae Kwon Do.

And you once killed twelve men with nothing but a match-stick and a fingernail while on tour in Cornwall....

sicknote

NGale wrote:

I perfer the age old art of running away.

I am however black belt in Kempo Karate and Red belt in Tae Kwon Do.

That has always got be your first choice everytime, if you have the chance.

I am a black belt in Shotokan Karate myself.

Would like to be a fly on the wall if some yob was to cross this old man that is now 66, by the way this is my teacher.

downfader

Sicknote wrote:

NGale wrote:

I perfer the age old art of running away.

I am however black belt in Kempo Karate and Red belt in Tae Kwon Do.

That has always got be your first choice everytime, if you have the chance.

I am a black belt in Shotokan Karate myself.

Would like to be a fly on the wall if some yob was to cross this old man that is now 66, by the way this is my teacher.

Hideyuki Ashihara (by christ I hope I spelt his name right) was always the Karate man I admired. His version went back to the Bushido fighting tradition iirc, and this meant that they threw punches and kicks more like a real blow.. if you get me, as some Karate Senseis teach their students to just stick their arm out rather than pivot like a boxer.

Flasheart

clanton wrote:

artaxerxes wrote:

Perfect for dealing with those antipodeans with dodgy accents...

Oi!

Yeah ...Oi !!

dilemna

The most important thing to use in a confrontation is your brain. If you have to fight it is a last last resort. I would suggest do anything, think of anything but fight. Use humour, blow them a kiss tell em how butch they look so much they are...... Quick thinking will save you from injury or worse.

Many moons ago whilst a student I took up Karate which lasted 4 years a brief break then two years taking it up again. I got 1st Dan black belt. Many take up martial arts under the delusion it will save them in a confrontation. As already stated it is a ritual of discipline and training. Many in the several clubs I went to weren't fighters they were victims waiting to be seriously hurt if they dared tried to use what they had learned. People who can fight in whatever discipline boxing, Krav Magna (never heard of it), Thai Kick boxing, Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Ju Jitsu, Judo , whatever, etc. ARE fighters. They have no issue hurting people, will not think twice. People who make it their life's work to bully and nobble people won't think twice about taking out a cyclist. Given that most cyclists are slight in build, even sprinters, compared to figthers I would rate the chance of winning any fight as SLIM.

Before you have even blinked I would have thought a decent boxer/street fighter would have got in 3 or 4 punches. You won't even have seen the first. Mr McGarrighan, Barclays banker, was beaten to death by two brothers who turned on him in Norwich town centre as he went to the aid of a homelss man they were beating up. It subsequently turned out that the brothers had been boxers who went around beating people up.

It is all very well fantasizing about what you would do but at the end of the day lying in intensive care hooked up to a drip or lifeless and cold in a fridge in a mortuary because you've died from your injuries whether hit multiple times, stabbed or shot is rather a senseless waste. Think of all the pain you will put your family and friends through.

Stay safe avoid confrontation, carry a phone, camera or head cam. Think smart.

For entertainment value only here is Jujitsu Sensei Jeremy Corbell in action. It makes for compelling viewing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2AwTfVkpbs

artaxerxes

For some reason I read that as

For entertainment value only here his Jujitsu Sensei Ron Jeremy in action. It makes for compelling viewing.

I'll get my coat...

dilemna

artaxerxes wrote:

For some reason I read that as

For entertainment value only here his Jujitsu Sensei Ron Jeremy in action. It makes for compelling viewing.

I'll get my coat...

So who is Ron Jeremy?

Flasheart

UndercoverElephant wrote:

DonDaddyD wrote:

I don't know if Tyson got beaten up in prison or bummed.

I will say this, you're assuming a lot. You don't know the circumstance like whether he got jumped, whether the fights were 1on1 or a gang against Tyson? Also you haven't considered the fact that some people prison aren't like us, many have nothing to live for and are likely to be unhinged, retard strong and equally as violent. Fact he wasn't killed probably says more than the fact he was beaten up.

I'm on a wind-up a bit, to be fair. I suspect Tyson was kept nice and separate from the other inmates, so he could do his time quietly. That said, he was a shadow of himself when he came out, so who knows really. I do know a few martial arts experts who've been well and truly done in a street fight though.[/quot

http://www.bushikai.com.au/Malcolm Anderson was my Muay Thai instructor when I studied back in Brisbane years ago. I remember one night at the door of a nightclub in Jindalee we had thrown a couple of guys out for smoking joints in the toilets. 45 mins later they showed up with 5 mates all armed with cricket bats etc.. Kyoshi Sama Malcom took down three before I even registered who he was looking at to size up.
This guy was GOOD.

edit...didn't mean to include DDD in the quote

Flasheart

dilemna wrote:

artaxerxes wrote:

For some reason I read that as

For entertainment value only here his Jujitsu Sensei Ron Jeremy in action. It makes for compelling viewing.

I'll get my coat...

So who is Ron Jeremy?

Porn Star unless I'm mistaken :roll:

bunter

I did hap gar kung fu until quite recently. I was not a natural and had to work hard to get to the (not very high) level I attained. I found that that it is a big jump just to go from training forms & 2 man routines to light sparring with a friend. It is an even bigger jump to spar with someone who isn't being so friendly. Both situations are very different from a real fight.

I can also confirm that boxing technique is effective in a fight having been battered by an ex boxer (smaller than me) who was also training kung fu. He also had a natural level of aggression that I could not match.

Doing martial arts does not necessarily make you better in a fight. Fighting makes you better in a fight. If you fight and train martial arts you can get to the stage where you can use martial arts techniques in a fight. Fighting is scary unless you have the correct mentality.

I enjoyed the jujitsu video, the sensei looked incredibly skilful, although those initial moves were clearly set up (opponents holding out punches and waiting to be thrown).

Mixed martial arts bouts are interesting & about the closest thing to a real fight you can watch legally. They rarely look pretty or much like martial arts routines but you can pick out some effective techniques.

El Diego

Cycle away, run away etc etc... but I know a guy, I am a black belt in x,y,z yada yada yada zzzzzzzzzz. This is a ridiculous thread.

sicknote

El Diego wrote:

Cycle away, run away etc etc... but I know a guy, I am a black belt in x,y,z yada yada yada zzzzzzzzzz. This is a ridiculous thread.

Why do you say this is a ridiculous thread?

Some people on here do train in one form another and are letting the op know that if we can we try to walk away.

salsajake

dilemna wrote:

[its not worth learning to fight

Stay safe avoid confrontation, carry a phone, camera or head cam. Think smart.

I do try to avoid confrontation and have got much better at biting my lip rather than giving out a torrent of abuse. I think having some fighting skills is more likely to save you than whipping a camera or phone out though? Have thought of getting a helmet cam, but again, its not going to stop anything happening, would just provide a bit of comfort (possibly) if it did, as well as of course allowing you many hours of "look at this idiot" comments with your mates...

Stuey01

salsajake wrote:

dilemna wrote:

[its not worth learning to fight

Stay safe avoid confrontation, carry a phone, camera or head cam. Think smart.

I do try to avoid confrontation and have got much better at biting my lip rather than giving out a torrent of abuse. I think having some fighting skills is more likely to save you than whipping a camera or phone out though? Have thought of getting a helmet cam, but again, its not going to stop anything happening, would just provide a bit of comfort (possibly) if it did, as well as of course allowing you many hours of "look at this idiot" comments with your mates...

The problem with your logic is that "some fighting skills" are not easy to come by. You have already stated that you don't have the time or inclination to devote a significant portion of your free time to learning a martial art, so you might as well not bother. Far more dangerous to have misplaced over-confidence in your ability to defend yourself than to recognise that you aren't a fighter and adjust your behaviour accordingly.

A rational person is likely to back off when confronted with the possibility of their actions coming back to haunt them via a video or phone call to the police, so this would be an effective way to defuse the situation. Getting involved in a confrontation is only likely to escalate things further.
If you are up against a proper nutter then part time self defence classes or books (!) are extremely unlikely to prove effective when the adrenaline dumps, you forget everything and probably start crying. (not having a go at you here, this is a common occurence).

The reason I suggested boxing is as much for the fact that you will get hit in training, and you will get used to it. The first time I was punched in the face in sparring I near shit my pants and totally panicked, dam it hurt, you don't want this to happen if you get hit for real, but you do get used to it. Plus if you can throw a decent punch (most people can't) you always have a punchers chance, if you really have no other option.

DonDaddyD

This is going to sound silly but I think it would be improper to scream boxing and advocate learning to fight without saying the following:

Sure learn a martial art if it interests you and you want to participate in it as a sport. But be aware that there are also other virtues behind Kung fu, boxing et al if you study the philosophy behind them. They teach control and inner peace alongside physical excellence.

Frankly I think the notion of learning to fight in order to better handle yourself in a street fight a silly one. Yes you might be a master of the 'Dark Hadou' but its the attitude behind 'needing to know how to fight' that esculates to using weapons, carrying knives and guns as peoples need for knowing how to handle themselves increases to simply knowing that the other peson won't stand a chance. The best option is not to get into fights at all.

Also running will only get you so far, if the other person is faster than you.

Yes there is necessity in self defence, the best self defence is not finding yourself in those situations and trying to stay safe. On a night out make sure you stick with your friends, a little too drunk and need to get home then go with a friend and take a registered cab. Walking home, don't take the short cut through the dark alley where no one can hear you scream. In an argument that doesn't appear to be going anywhere, stay calm and walk away.

The best defence is staying rational, common sense and keeping your wits about you.

MonkeyMonster

DonDaddyD wrote:

In an argument that doesn't appear to be going anywhere, stay calm and walk away.

You have been to the Morpeth haven't you? 8)

UndercoverElephant

Stuey01 wrote:

Plus if you can throw a decent punch.

I ain't that kind of fighter. I just stand there and wait for the other guy to get exhausted from punching me, then I push him over, and if the ref's not looking, I can kick him a couple of times.

DonDaddyD

DDD on boxing:

My last comment on boxing is this. Yes it'll get you used to getting punched in the face. There is however the argument that you can either take a punch or not take a punch - this is a natural thing. My 16inch neck allows me to take a punch much to some Birmingham f*ckwits surprise. The best option is not to get punched at all.

What boxing training does which is incredibly useful if you need to defend yourself in public is:

i) How to defend yourself
ii) Increases your stamina
iii) Teaches you how to throw a punch. This includes:

Not breaking your wrist. Not closing your eyes as you swing a natural human reaction I think.

DDD top tip.

Always stay on your feet, if you go down you've lost.

Stuey01

UndercoverElephant wrote:

Stuey01 wrote:

Plus if you can throw a decent punch.

I ain't that kind of fighter. I just stand there and wait for the other guy to get exhausted from punching me, then I push him over, and if the ref's not looking, I can kick him a couple of times.

Ah, Homer style.

mrc1

I had a friend at school that was apparently very good at karate and represented our county at all sorts of competitions etc, but it didn't stop him getting knocked out by one of the local chavs on the way home after school once :oops:

I can see the use of self defence classes to generally make you a bit more confident, but in a commuting situation, the reality is that if you get in an argument on a street, while you are straddling your bike and wearing SPDs I very much doubt they will achieve anything.

sicknote

mrcartledge wrote:

I had a friend at school that was apparently very good at karate and represented our county at all sorts of competitions etc, but it didn't stop him getting knocked out by one of the local chavs on the way home after school once :oops:

I can see the use of self defence classes to generally make you a bit more confident, but in a commuting situation, the reality is that if you get in an argument on a street, while you are straddling your bike and wearing SPDs I very much doubt they will achieve anything.

The first bit does very much depend on how he trains in his class and is he pressure tested e.g where he is up against someone that will go at him as hard as they can so if he gets it wrong or it does not work, he might get hurt.

Competition fighting is very different from what you will get on the street and it can lead to a false confidence.

We do but have had some come form other clubs that will say what great lesson it was but are never to be seen again :shock:
P.s we dont beat up anyone but just train hard.

One more thing

One of my brothers did Lau Gar Kung fu and had two skin heads try to take his stereo from him, well it was him walking away from that

Splottboy

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