Conago C50 or Viner Perfecta?

careful

I dont race but need all the help I can get for fastish day rides usually on rough roads with lots of hills. I am looking for a classy frame, preferably Italian and in my shortlist includes:
Colnago C50
Viner Perfecta

Any comments on these would be welcome. Also, why do lugged carbon frames seem to be preferable (or more expensive anyway) compared with monocoque?

I am not the fastest of riders - should I "settle" for a Willier Mortirolo?

Nice choices to have, but I need advice.

stuaff

You can't really go wrong with either of those choices. I've got a Viner Magnifica, the one down from the Perfecta, a friend of mine has their top-of-the-line Maxima, and we're both chuffed with them. You will feel the worst of the road buzz, but the frame certainly takes the edge off, it's firm yet smooth. I've been pleasantly surprised by the level of comfort.
And if you want a high-end bike, buy one....

giant_man

I'm seriously considering a C50 at the moment too. Thought I would grab one before they stop making them. Have never ridden the Viner sorry.

Chip \'oyler

I don't know about the C50, but with the Perfecta you can have it made to measure and therefore get it to fit you right and also tweak the frame angles etc

I have a Viner and I'm well chuffed with it.

Monty Dog

You can get the C50 in custom too - Cyclefit are the only UK agents and expect a very long wait - alas, it only comes in 22 standard sizes! In terms of lugged construction, opinion still seems to indicate that it give the right blend of stiffness and resilience - as well as the C50, there's the Time VXR, many Looks, Parlee, Crumptpn etc - none really reknown for producing duff bikes. The downside is cost - more components and more intensive construction process. Clubmates have both C50s and Viners - I'd have a C50 out of the two as it is a classic bike. If you can afford it, why not treat yourself? Not that the Wilier is a bad bike, but it's not in the same league and it's not made in Italy either.