Lance Haters

jerry3571

Sorry to interupt but something reminded me that the "hey pistolero, there is no "i" in "team".
; isn't a too hot saying as "team" hasn't got an "I" in it but has got a "me" in it.
This saying I used to say in a bad American accent used in an ironic sense when I was being 100% sellfish until my other half put me right. That was the last time I used that crappy saying.
Sorry about this interuption; back to the Politics! The Observer has gone out of business, newspaper for toffs and wannabee toffs; Hoorah!!
-Jerry

moray_gub

rockmount wrote:

dennisn wrote:

BikingBernie wrote:

dennisn wrote:

I'm sort of reminded of the, not so old, hippie saying, " Hey man, lighten up". Or the, somewhat newer, saying, "Hey man, chill out".

Don't tell me, your reaction would be to just open another beer! Right?

actually a nice pale ale does sound good. kind of hot today.

try a cold one

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richard wants a baum

Best Beer Ever.

victorponf

One pint of Stella Artois for me please!

jamlala

Quite frankly I don't blame the police at all when they respond like that, provocation has normally intensified to such a level anyway.

BikingBernie

jerry3571 wrote:

Sorry about this interuption; back to the Politics! The Observer has gone out of business, newspaper for toffs and wannabee toffs; Hoorah!!

It says a lot about Britain when The Sun, The Express and The Daily Mail thrive, whilst papers like The Observer are in financial trouble. No wonder George Orwell predicted in 'The Road To Wigan Pier' that:

'Fascism is coming; probably a slimy Anglicized form of Fascism, with cultured policemen instead of Nazi gorillas and the lion and the unicorn instead of the swastika'.

The only thing he was wrong about was the bit about cultured policemen, as the shot below of a police medic treating a member of the public with his magic medicine stick illustrates.



I will not cease from mental fight
Nor shall my night stick sleep in my hand
'Til we have built Jerusalem
In England's green and pleasant land

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_20Vikpwyg

BikingBernie

A lesson from history.

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"What no one seemed to notice," said a colleague of mine, a philologist, "was the ever widening gap, after 1933, between the government and the people. Just think how very wide this gap was to begin with, here in Germany. And it became always wider. You know, it doesn’t make people close to their government to be told that this is a people’s government, a true democracy, or to be enrolled in civilian defense, or even to vote. All this has little, really nothing, to do with knowing one is governing.

"What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little, to being governed by surprise; to receiving decisions deliberated in secret; to believing that the situation was so complicated that the government had to act on information which the people could not understand, or so dangerous that, even if the people could not understand it, it could not be released because of national security.

..."Your friend the baker was right," said my colleague. "The dictatorship, and the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting. It provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway. I do not speak of your ‘little men,’ your baker and so on; I speak of my colleagues and myself, learned men, mind you. Most of us did not want to think about fundamental things and never had. There was no need to. Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think?

"To live in this process is absolutely not to be able to notice it—please try to believe me—unless one has a much greater degree of political awareness, acuity, than most of us had ever had occasion to develop. Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, ‘regretted,’ that, unless one were detached from the whole process from the beginning, unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these ‘little measures’ that no ‘patriotic German’ could resent must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. One day it is over his head.

"And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying ‘Jewish swine,’ collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything, has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you live in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html

BikingBernie

JamLala wrote:

Quite frankly I don't blame the police at all when they respond like that, provocation has normally intensified to such a level anyway.

'Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed.'

Also, isn't one of the main points of the police's 'kettling' tactics to provoke people into becoming angry and frustrated in the hope something will kick off, so giving the police an excuse to go in mob-handed?

disgruntledgoat

Perhaps the reason the Observoer is going out of business isn't it's politics or the fact that everyone in Britain is a clest facist, it's because it's rubbish and has nothing in it's 10 sections to interest anybody who lives outside of about 5 postcodes in North London.

I bought the Observer for many years and then just gave up after one too many magazine features on locally sourced wooden baths and could no longer stand a monthly music magazine where everything got a 5 star review. The whole tone of the editorial was one of "why won't the plebs listen to us? We're so obviously right!" as well.

That and employing the cartoonist from the Socialist Worker, that was the end for me.

sjeffer

I get the impression that large elements of this forum seem to think that it's cool to hate Lance - is this a symptom of the British dislike for winners?
Don't get me wrong - I'm not about to bang on unreservedly about how great Lance is because I can see with my own eyes that the guy would be a pain in the a*se to ride for/with/against because of his competitive nature, but how does this make him any different from Eddy Merkx and Bernard Hinault who were referred to as the Cannibal and the Badger respectively? I assume it wasn't for their love of human flesh or wildlife.
So rather than be typically British or be one of the 'cool kids' don't you think that Lance deserves some credit for his 7 wins and his performance after 3 years of retirement?
For me personally Lance is an inspiration for the way he overcame cancer and the work he has done since to help others in the same situation which goes to prove that even the most unpersonable humans can have compassion for others.

shoppo33

No I in team but there is an I in winner.

Why can't Armstrong just say he was beat fair and square,

MrChuck

shoppo33 wrote:

No I in team but there is an I in winner.

Why can't Armstrong just say he was beat fair and square,

He has. Lots of times.

innocenti

I had to laugh the other day as Amazon sent me one of their emails based on my previous purchases

As someone who has purchased or rated The Crooked Path to Victory: Cheating in Professional Bicycle Racing (Cycling Resources) by Les Woodland or other books in the Cycling > Cycling History & Biography category, you might like to know that Lance Armstrong: The World's Greatest Champion is now available.

deejay

shoppo33 wrote:

No I in team but there is an I in winner.

Why can't Armstrong just say he was beat fair and square,

No "I" in team, but there is an "A" and we know who that is. !

Unfortunately Armstrong was not in the Astana Team because the sponsors didn't want him and withheld salaries in an effort to get the team to throw him out.
The Astana Team GT Leader was Contador riding with a Bruyneel Interloper who thought he has a God given right to lead a Team from the outside.
He placed his Former Team mates in an awkward position regarding their contracts to look after Contador or because of past Loyaties to give Armstrong as much support as Bruyneel requested.
Armstrong's Salary and Expences are paid from outside the Astana Team and then surrounds himself with minders at his own expence.
Every bit of equipment he used was different (Livestrong) to the Astana Team except for the Jersey.
He has Finally been thrown out and because there are no teams willing to take him then he says "I will form my own team", so there.

We don't hate him but we just have No Respect for Armstrong because our Hero's won more than 7 GT's and also Major Classic Races from early season to the last one in Lombardy.

frenchfighter

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

dennisn

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

And this PROVES what??? That someone got in a little hissy fit with him? You've never had anyone threaten to punch your lights out? C'mon, what's the big deal? Couple of guys get into a shoving match? That almost sounds like normal human beings. But that can't be. These people are above us. On a higher plane. To be worshipped and have common folk, like you and I, hinge on their every word.

Stuey01

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

Sounds like Robbie is the knob here.

redddraggon

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

dennisn

Stuey01 wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

Sounds like Robbie is the knob here.

I've got to take my previous post a bit further and say "big deal". Might have been VAGELY, key word "vagely", interesting had someone actually thrown a punch.
As it stands it sounds like something that happens a million times a day, around the world.
Couple of guys being "men". Not even news. "frenchfighter" must lead a pretty boring life if he(or she) thinks this kind of thing is exciting news. Snoozer at best.

sjeffer

You lot are a closed minded bunch (this is directed at the 'Lance Haters'). I now regret wasting my time posting on this thread, I had mistaken it for a open discussion but some of the comments above just prove that your minds are well and truly shut on this one.

moray_gub

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

you forgot this bit

Then, two days later it is reported that "The new wearer of the green jersey (on equal points with Zabel), Robbie McEwen, now denied saying that he told Lance Armstrong the other day to 'Shut your mouth or I will fill it with my fist'." (Somehow, this never got the exposure that the earlier quote did.)

though quite what your original quote is supposed to say about LA is anyones guess

moray_gub

redddraggon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

Do you like him because of that alleged quote ?

redddraggon

Moray Gub wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

Do you like him because of that alleged quote ?

I like Robbie McEwen for many reasons. But that quote doesn't make me think any less of him.

avalon

Moray Gub wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

Do you like him because of that alleged quote ?

Oh yes.

rockmount

avalon wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

Do you like him because of that alleged quote ?

Oh yes.

Seriously, he's a complete sissy :!:

avalon

sjeffer wrote:

You lot are a closed minded bunch (this is directed at the 'Lance Haters'). I now regret wasting my time posting on this thread, I had mistaken it for a open discussion but some of the comments above just prove that your minds are well and truly shut on this one.[/quote]


Unlike your's hey?. :roll:

dennisn

avalon wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

Do you like him because of that alleged quote ?

Oh yes.

This can't be real. Some guy tells another to shut up and everyone is all over it as if
it were the event of the century. I'm reading this and thinking "are your lives really that boring?" I've been bored here at work for a week or two and in reading this particular series of posts on "The Fight"(or lack of) I find myself wondering "is this were utter
boredom takes you?" Making a big deal out of someone getting mad at someone else?
I gotta get a life. I'm just as bad. Making a big deal out of others making a big deal out of absolutely nothing. I'm even worse.

moray_gub

avalon wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

Do you like him because of that alleged quote ?

Oh yes.

spose thats say more about you than him.

drenkrom

damn... the bottom of the barrel is really further than I thought...

avalon

Moray Gub wrote:

avalon wrote:

Moray Gub wrote:

redddraggon wrote:

frenchfighter wrote:

"Shut your mouth, or I will fill it with my fist." -Robbie McEwen to Lance Armstrong, 2002 Tour de France

I like Robbie McEwen

Do you like him because of that alleged quote ?

Oh yes.

spose thats say more about you than him.

Oh no.