fork snobery, or which are best, or whatever name you want

joshtp
joshtp Posts: 3,966
edited June 2009 in MTB general
Why are there so few fork manufacturers that are really rated. seemingly, its only any good if its a Fox or a RockShocks, sometimes Marrazochi will get good reports, but mostly its the two before mentioned. What about magura? Or White bros, or Maverick, a few years ago, whem the White 46 had a maverick, it was always talked about as one of the best around, now, you never see them, not in mags or anywhere. Manitou (apart from the insanely expensive Dorado) never really get any good reviews. And i know they arnt very good, but what about RST, and Suntour? So why is it that when i pick up my copy of MBUK, and, in the "trail fork shootout" or whatever, i only see FOX RS and the odd Marazzochi, or White bros. What has happened to all the others? There are loads, more than i mensioned, DT swiss, society..........
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  • zero303
    zero303 Posts: 1,162
    Because they ultimately are the best in the game...

    I've got Foxs on both bikes ('09 Vanilla 15QR and an '08 32 Float 9mm dropped to 100mm), no complaints, feel great, work well.

    I'd be equally happily to have a set of Rebas/Sids and Revs but the floats came on one bike and the Vanillas were simply too good to pass up when CRC were doing them for £340 a few months back!!

    It's just that everything else is either, not as good or not as good AND more expensive.
  • papasmurf.
    papasmurf. Posts: 2,382
    RS and Fox have the biggest presence in the UK so more bikes will have them specced, as they can offer the best discounts to the product managers speccing the bikes aswell. Manitoo and Marrazochi seem to have shot themselves in the foot, repeatedly.

    If you go to Germany you'll probably find everyone has Maguras specced on their bikes..
  • CustomReign
    CustomReign Posts: 185
    Have you seen how much these companies spend on advertising in these mags?

    Also, the DUC's were never actally any good in the long run. Nice to trundle along with buy worse on the real tracks than a Flexorado.
  • joshtp
    joshtp Posts: 3,966
    i know, i just cant understand what is so badly wrong with them, mavericks are suposed to be amazing!
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  • joshtp
    joshtp Posts: 3,966
    sorry, what are DUC's?
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  • papasmurf.
    papasmurf. Posts: 2,382
    DUCs are leaky forks.

    Maverick DUCs...upside down fork jobbys
  • joshtp
    joshtp Posts: 3,966
    papasmurf. wrote:
    DUCs are leaky forks.

    Maverick DUCs...upside down fork jobbys
    leaky? i only ever hear great reports, my mate has had just about every "great" fork going, and swears by his upsidedown mavericks, he still thinks they are the best, even compared to all the posh RS's and fox's
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  • _Ferret_
    _Ferret_ Posts: 660
    It does depend on where you are.
    As someone said - here in Germany they rate the Magura forks alongside Rockshox and Fox. The favorite out here though is DT swiss - über expensive but amazing forks.
    Fox and Rockshox almost always seem to be specced on new bikes though - this makes the reviews more important to more buyers.
    Persnally if I had the money I would buy DT swiss - Pace technology with carbon wizardry - super! (but then I could also just buy a whole new bike instead...)
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  • rackgaki
    rackgaki Posts: 309
    quite a few of cubes xc bikes have maguras dont they?
    Dont you just love Marin's...i sleep with mine
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Here is a good thread on fork snobbery:

    http://www.uk-mtb.com/index.php?topic=177.0

    But for budget forks.
  • joshtp
    joshtp Posts: 3,966
    supersonic wrote:
    Here is a good thread on fork snobbery:

    http://www.uk-mtb.com/index.php?topic=177.0

    But for budget forks.
    yeah, toras are great forks, i dont see why people dont like them!
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  • Joe_Pineapples
    Joe_Pineapples Posts: 1,718
    edited June 2009
    I had Magura Phaon forks on my old frame, but when it came to servicing them I ran into a brick wall. They have to go back to Magura and might take some time (and cash!) to get them done.

    My current RockShox however can be serviced all over the place, and specialists like Tim Flooks will have them back to you in a few days.

    Now whilst I was happy with the Maguras performance, the lack of service backup alone will stop me buying another pair.
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    In the future, if I want to drop that weight and can afford a lighter fork, then I might get one. I got the Zaskar frame to keep for a few years, start with budget kit and upgrade.

    But the Toras are so damn good I can hardly see the point, and many just assume they are crap because they don't cost as much as a Revalation, which looks cooler to some people.
  • gezzza
    gezzza Posts: 324
    Lefty's get great reviews Cannondale should get off there arse and do them in 1.25 size rather than leaving it to outside company's to make a kit
  • cgarossi
    cgarossi Posts: 729
    I have coil tora's on my Scott and they function perfectly well on an XC bike. Depends on what bike they're on I guess.
  • beardytwo
    beardytwo Posts: 174
    Not a great deal of experience with forks but I am very impressed with my Tora 318 air. Especially for 140 squids..work very well with the bike now I have more experience in setting them up.... :)
  • cee
    cee Posts: 4,553
    I love my toras...

    i also have a set of 03 manitou sherman fireflys (Ti spring) and a old set of 01 marz junior t's which i change over on the patriot depending on what i am doing...

    They are both superb forks as well.
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  • waddlie
    waddlie Posts: 542
    Whatever happened to PACE? Their forks were great back in the day. And that square tubed frame was awesome.

    Then there was Manitou. And the Halson inversion forks.

    When I first got into MTBs, a RS Mag 21 was the fork of my dreams...
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  • gezzza
    gezzza Posts: 324
    Waddlie wrote:
    Whatever happened to PACE? Their forks were great back in the day. And that square tubed frame was awesome.

    Then there was Manitou. And the Halson inversion forks.

    When I first got into MTBs, a RS Mag 21 was the fork of my dreams...


    Pace are DTSwiss
  • waddlie
    waddlie Posts: 542
    gezzza wrote:
    Waddlie wrote:
    Whatever happened to PACE? Their forks were great back in the day. And that square tubed frame was awesome.

    Then there was Manitou. And the Halson inversion forks.

    When I first got into MTBs, a RS Mag 21 was the fork of my dreams...


    Pace are DTSwiss

    Ah thanks. This is what happens when you stop MTBing for 15 years..
    Rules are for fools.
  • Love this talk on suss forks, I remember Proflex stems being the dogs, then Pace RC35's...

    Always loved Rock Shox as they have always done what I have asked for, and they are easy to service, I can't understand why people send forks away for a service they are all so easy to do at home.
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  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    Revs here, because they're sensible allround trail forks, something that it seems Rockshox do very well. I reckon Fox do make better forks, all things considered, but they have nothing that fits the bill as well for me. And TALAS doesn't beat U-turn for me. if I wanted fixed length I guess I'd go with Fox. A mate of mine uses Magura but he's had so much trouble with his new Thors, they've been replaced once and returned for rebuild once and still not working right.
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  • lawman
    lawman Posts: 6,868
    ive not had good experiences with rockshox tbh.

    i had a set of judy tt's that never moved more than 20mm and my current toras gave me massive arm pump at llandegla last week. i rode a test bike with fox floats and they were awesome. rockshox also now have huge prices and fox seem to beat them for value and perfomance
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    [quote="lawman"and my current toras gave me massive arm pump at llandegla last week. i rode a test bike with fox floats and they were awesome. rockshox also now have huge prices and fox seem to beat them for value and perfomance[/quote]

    Yeha, but what do you expect, a Float costs 3 times as much as a Tora. Fox have nothing at all in that price range.

    (if it's an air tora, it might be worth messing with the pressures, I got arm pump first time I ran the Revs but it tuned out easily enough)
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  • zero303
    zero303 Posts: 1,162
    but they have nothing that fits the bill as well for me

    I don't understand this...

    32 Floats = Air Revs
    32 Talas = Air U-Turn Revs
    32 Vanilla = Coil Rev

    So only thing missing I guess is if you wanted a coil fox with travel adjust..?
  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    RS prices are beginning to fall again (or so I hear).

    Also RS tend to take time to bed in - RS wear in as Fox wear out.
  • Northwind
    Northwind Posts: 14,675
    zero303 wrote:
    but they have nothing that fits the bill as well for me

    I don't understand this...

    32 Talas = Air U-Turn Revs

    No, because the travel isn't the same and TALAS lacks adjustability. They look similiar at a casual glance but the 32s are no use for me at all- frame is built for 100-130mm, which is exactly what my Rev dual airs do. Even this year's Revs, though they're too long, can still do 130mm which the Fox can't without modification.
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Yeah, Fox have a very limited range. RS have too much almost!
  • adb1006
    adb1006 Posts: 938
    supersonic wrote:
    Here is a good thread on fork snobbery:

    http://www.uk-mtb.com/index.php?topic=177.0

    But for budget forks.

    What a bunch of cnuts.
  • zero303
    zero303 Posts: 1,162
    Northwind, that's fair enough. 130mm is an awkward size now as it seems a lot of bikes have been built around it only for Fox, and then RS to move to 140mm for Trail/AM stuff... lol