Campag - which BB/cassette tool?

ridgerider

Hi

Looking to change from triple to compact on my 2002 Giant OCR.

1. Is there one tool which does both the square taper BB and the cassette lock ring?

2. Will it be an English or Italian BB?

Ta

Wappygixer

Yes the Campag cassette tool also does the bottom bracket but not all tools are open enough.
I bought a genuine Campag tool which is top quality and a sure fire fit.
I would guess at Giant being english thread

cq20

It depends which Campag square taper BB you get. Below Centaur level, the tool has 6 pegs that fit into the BB flanges and it is not the same as the cassette tool. Don't know about the tools needed at Centaur and above level but the Campag square BBs can be difficult to find these days (although Ribble still has some) because Campag have switched to UT for all road cranks apart from the triples.

ridgerider

This will teach me to look before I ask...the current BB has 20 teeth around the outside which leads me to suspect it is an ISIS type BB (for which I already have a tool). How does that sound?

fast as fupp

cq20 wrote:

It depends which Campag square taper BB you get. Below Centaur level, the tool has 6 pegs that fit into the BB flanges and it is not the same as the cassette tool. Don't know about the tools needed at Centaur and above level but the Campag square BBs can be difficult to find these days (although Ribble still has some) because Campag have switched to UT for all road cranks apart from the triples.

theres loads of campag square taper stuff (and alternatives such as fsa) on e-bay

cq20

fast as fupp wrote:

theres loads of campag square taper stuff (and alternatives such as fsa) on e-bay

There may be at present but when I was looking for a Campag square BB last year, there were only a couple available. What is there now is run-off stock 'cos Campag have ceased production.

IIRC FSA is JIS and Campag is ISO.

giant_man

Park tool do one which is BBT-5 for both bottom brackets and locknuts for cassettes.

cq20

Parkers International are selling the Park BBT-4 for £7.25

Tool for removing and fitting 6 notch cups on sealed Bottom Brackets. Fits cartridge cups used on Sachs and Campagnolo Veloce, Mirage, and Avanti.

Note: It doesn't fit the cassette locknut.

giant_man

But the BBT-5 does, see my previous mail.

cq20

giant mancp wrote:

But the BBT-5 does, see my previous mail.

How often do I need to say this? It only fits some Campag BBs. See the Park website.

Fits all Campagnolo® cassette lockrings. Also fits Campagnolo® Record™, Chorus™, Centaur™ and Athena™ bottom brackets.

It does not fit Campag BBs below the Centaur level. They have completely different flanges.

giant_man

Yes indeed, but all locknuts, so your point is ........ ?

Wooliferkins

Campags own tools. For centaur/veloce/mirage/xenon BBs you need one of these, . For Record and Chorus BBs and all cassettes you need one of these, . Italian and English make no difference the difference is the threading Italian both cups are right hand thread, English one left one right handed. When you get your new BB make sure it is ISO not JIS as the tapers are different.

Wooliferkins

The Centaur Superlight BB takes the Record/Chorus tool. Your Giant should be English it will have 1.37x24 on the cups Italian has 36x24. Campag square taper still available although 111mm a bit thin on the ground at the moment.

kozzo

Wooliferkins wrote:

Campags own tools. For centaur/veloce/mirage/xenon BBs you need one of these, . For Record and Chorus BBs and all cassettes you need one of these, . Italian and English make no difference the difference is the threading Italian both cups are right hand thread, English one left one right handed. When you get your new BB make sure it is ISO not JIS as the tapers are different.

For Centaur BB second tool is correct, just like for Chorus and Record.
I have one as below and it is Centaur BB.

cq20

giant mancp wrote:

Yes indeed, but all locknuts, so your point is ........ ?

The OP was

Is there one tool which does both the square taper BB and the cassette lock ring?

so you decided to give a reply that recommended a tool that fits all locknuts and some BBs and to completely miss the point, as illustrated, that a different tool will be required for half of the range of Campag BBs.

ridgerider

Oh forget it...I'll go to the LBS :P

giant_man

[quote="cq20"]

giant mancp wrote:

Yes indeed, but all locknuts, so your point is ........ ?

The OP was

Is there one tool which does both the square taper BB and the cassette lock ring?

so you decided to give a reply that recommended a tool that fits all locknuts and some BBs and to completely miss the point, as illustrated, that a different tool will be required for half of the range of Campag BBs.[/quote]
Y - A - W - N whatever you say man whatever you say ...

Wooliferkins

kozzo wrote:

Wooliferkins wrote:

Campags own tools. For centaur/veloce/mirage/xenon BBs you need one of these, . For Record and Chorus BBs and all cassettes you need one of these, . Italian and English make no difference the difference is the threading Italian both cups are right hand thread, English one left one right handed. When you get your new BB make sure it is ISO not JIS as the tapers are different.

For Centaur BB second tool is correct, just like for Chorus and Record.
I have one as below and it is Centaur BB.

That's the Superliight as explained above the other old (now discontinued)Centaur BBs use the other tool. Ah Italians