International Arrest Warrant for Floyd Landis

Kléber
Kléber Posts: 6,842
edited May 2009 in Pro race
That got your attention. You might remember on here a story a while back concerning a hacker employed to snoop on Greenpeace on behalf of an agency linked to French electricity company EDF. Anyway, one thing in the investigation was that the hacker, from an outfit called Kargus, was possibly linked to Landis and his old coach, Arnie Baker.

Now it seems that Landis's coach Arnie Baker managed to get Kargus to hack into the LNDD labs and obtain documents and distribute them to some journalists. Hacking into a IT system like this is potentially a criminal matter in France.

To cut a long story short, Baker and Landis were given the French equivalent of a court subpoena but both failed to show in Paris. The Judge is now thinking of what to do and commenting on the matter, the AFLD's Pierre Bordry said "if it's the only way to get Landis and Baker to explain themselves, I wouldn't hesitate to recommend the judge issues an international arrest warrant."

We'll see what happens next but the disastrous Landis defence goes on, his campaign to prove himself innocent looks weak when his entourage commit cyber-burglary and leave idiotic messages on LeMond's phone, it really looks like poor Floyd was panicked into dirty tricks when caught.

Comments

  • I wonder if he has any supporters left? The Lemond incident was a real low point and it looks like his desperation might finally bite him on the arse in one way or another. I bet he's got a few regrets.
  • disgruntledgoat
    disgruntledgoat Posts: 8,957
    Like drinking that whisky the night after a long solo break! Arf!

    I reckoned his frenzied campaign to prove his innocence was based on the fact that he hadn't used testosterone on that Tour adn that the blood he'd transfused was contaminated from an earlier usage.

    Either that or Phil Ligget's explanation that Floyd is simply more manly than Chuck Norris hold's true.
    "In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"

    @gietvangent
  • markwalker
    markwalker Posts: 953
    That would be good to see. The French seem far more aggresive with the Anti doping than their Italian and Spanish neighbours. If its true about the hacking then the guy and his advisor should spend time with Monsieur Bubba. Unless he dishes the dirt on Armstrong that is. Mooo ha ha ha ha
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    Well the tainted transfusion is quite hard. He supposedly had a T/E ratio of 11-to-1 inside him, if he'd taken the infamous "800ml of packed cells", this would have had to have been massively dosed in testosterone, I don't know but say 40-1?

    He probably slapped a patch on and fell asleep or someone got the dosage wrong. No one will know.

    A criminal court could drag some of the evidence out of Landis but he's now linked to cyber-crime so it's unlikely to explore the goings-on inside the hotel on the evening that followed the Dauphiné TT stage in 2006 when he finished second and then the next day finished way down the next day on Ventoux and was then dropped on every subsequent mountain stage. Cyclingnews.com wrote about the Ventoux stage:
    Alexandre Vinokourov, Floyd Landis and George Hincapie looked like they were not trying their best, probably afraid of burning themselves instead of doing solid work in their lead up to the Tour de France... ...Exactly ten years ago, Bjarne Riis climbed the Ventoux 15 minutes behind Miguel Indurain, one month before taking him down from his throne at the Tour de France. There are a few people in modern cycling following the example of Riis' methods.
    Riis' methods indeed!
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Quite right. I believe one of the anti-doping guru's said the theory it was from a transfusion was virtually impossible.

    It was either a patch or too much cream on his arm
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • markwalker
    markwalker Posts: 953
    Are you suggesting that the blood was taken after the TT stage for use later at the tour and his subsequent poor Dauphine performance was a consequence?
  • Kléber
    Kléber Posts: 6,842
    edited May 2009
    You might say that, but I couldn't possibly comment. :wink:
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,561
    Forgive me if I'm wrong on this one but wasn't the basis of his (quite poor) defence based on evidence that the lab was rubbish?

    And now that evidence was probably made up, or taken by ill gotten means?

    He's a tool.
  • markwalker
    markwalker Posts: 953
    Kléber wrote:
    You might possibly say that, but I couldn't comment. :wink:

    :) Im in danger of censorship again :shock:

    I now believe that when i watch a race there are several things to keep me occupied

    1 The scenery
    2 The crashes
    3 The race tactics
    4 the attacks
    5 Epic breaks
    6 working out the "other tactics"

    its part of the picture.
  • andy_wrx
    andy_wrx Posts: 3,396
    Kléber wrote:
    That got your attention

    Yep, a bit like a couple of years ago when someone called him, what was it 'a barn-building, apple-eating, banjo-playing, doping tw*t' ? :lol:
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    Forgive me if I'm wrong on this one but wasn't the basis of his (quite poor) defence based on evidence that the lab was rubbish?

    There was a fair amount of evidence that the lab did not follow the correct protocols. Including doing the same thing which Landaluze got off his testosterone positive for.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • aurelio_-_banned
    aurelio_-_banned Posts: 1,317
    iainf72 wrote:
    There was a fair amount of evidence that the lab did not follow the correct protocols. Including doing the same thing which Landaluze got off his testosterone positive for.
    There may have been some shoddy 'housekeeping' in relation to the T/E ratio tests, but the definitive IRMS tests conclusively showed that Landis had been using artificial testosterone throughout the Tour.

    Landis' defence reminded me of a driver, pulled over for speeding and then found to be three times over the drink drive limit, arguing that the blood tests for alcohol weren't valid on the grounds that the police can't find the calibration certificate for the speed gun that they used when they first pulled them over!
  • takethehighroad
    takethehighroad Posts: 6,561
    aurelio wrote:
    iainf72 wrote:
    There was a fair amount of evidence that the lab did not follow the correct protocols. Including doing the same thing which Landaluze got off his testosterone positive for.
    There may have been some shoddy 'housekeeping' in relation to the T/E ratio tests, but the definitive IRMS tests conclusively showed that Landis had been using artificial testosterone throughout the Tour.

    Landis' defence reminded me of a driver, pulled over for speeding and then found to be three times over the drink drive limit, arguing that the blood tests for alcohol weren't valid on the grounds that the police can't find the calibration certificate for the speed gun that they used when they first pulled them over!

    Thanks fro clearing that up iain.

    I wasn't particularly suggesting he hadn't taken anything, 'cos as soon as I watched on that first climb that day I knew, but I thought that this evidence today meant that the lab was OK and Landis had just made it up to discredit them and get off a la Landaluze.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    Really? When you saw him ride away from the front group that day you knew he had been taking testosterone, and had been on several occasions throughout the Tour?

    As I've said before, given the number of testosterone positives in recent years (and the implications for how many cyclists are actually using it, given how easy it is to beat the tests) why don't we see rides like that in every other race, if it's as simple as slapping on a patch?
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    I wasn't particularly suggesting he hadn't taken anything, 'cos as soon as I watched on that first climb that day I knew, but I thought that this evidence today meant that the lab was OK and Landis had just made it up to discredit them and get off a la Landaluze.

    Not really. I don't know what that hacker story was all about. Floyd rolls with some people who are pretty exotic in the brain department.

    "Shoddy housekeeping" - No, they did not follow protocols. Not just on one thing but on a number of things. Yes, the T:E ratio didn't matter when the IRMS was done, but imagine a situation where the IRMS gets chucked out because it should've never been done because the T:E ratio test was flawed.

    I know accidents happen in the lab, but when you do EXACTLY the same thing that Landaluze got off with again and then say "erm, loads of people were on holiday", you need to get you sht together.

    Floyd rides like a bag of really slow spanners now. Clearly, the drugs do work
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
  • DaveyL
    DaveyL Posts: 5,167
    He does have a new hip to contend with as well :-)

    I don't see it ever happening that an IRMS result gets chucked out because the protocols for T/E were not followed. The WADA code allows one to go straight to IRMS without even doing a T/E - that's how Justin Gatlin was busted. Still, you never know, it's not like they always follow the rules...
    Le Blaireau (1)
  • iainf72
    iainf72 Posts: 15,784
    DaveyL wrote:
    He does have a new hip to contend with as well :-)

    I don't see it ever happening that an IRMS result gets chucked out because the protocols for T/E were not followed. The WADA code allows one to go straight to IRMS without even doing a T/E - that's how Justin Gatlin was busted. Still, you never know, it's not like they always follow the rules...

    I agree it was unlikely. The strategy was to infer nothing was done properly.

    I know the labs and ADA's don't really agree with only doing IRMS because of the ratio. But IRMS is expensive. So, meh.
    Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.