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Orange Five 2008 or 2009, What are the differences ???

Sam CHSam CH Posts: 6
edited May 2009 in MTB buying advice
Hello everybody,

First some words about me. My name is Sam, I'm 30 and Swiss, from the Alps yes yes. I'm lucky I know. As you know, here int the Alps we have a lot of nice trails, DH-tracks etc... I'm not a DHer, I'm a right "trailer". Go up, not to fast, go down on singletracks as fast as possible, try that nice single that I saw on the map... Oh s*ç% it's not possible. Get lost. Find a new way... You know, that's moutain bike.

And why am I here now ?

I'm looking for a new bike. I have now a Yeti 575 (from 2006). I had also a Rocky Mountain etsx, some Bianchis nth (cross country) and the rest is to old. The Yeti is good, not perfect, but not far from perfection. He's got a Pike (coil of course), a pair of self-mounted wheels (Hope Pro 2, Sun Equalizer 31), Avid Juicy 5 and Sram for the rest. Iwas just surfing on the net last week and Wooooooowwwwwww ORANGE BIKES are looking so perfect, simple as possible. I surched some information about pricing, sizing etc... and founded offers for 2008 Five.

So my questions :

- Which size do I need. I'm 170cm, that means about 5'7'' ? I want a nice playing bike ?

- What are the differences between 2008 and 2009 ? Geometry ? Weight ?

Thanks a lot dudes ! And sorry but my english is not so good...
Sam CH

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  • Andy BAndy B Posts: 8,115
    hi, your English is good, don't worry about it.

    I'd probably be looking at a 16" Orange 5 frame, but best to test it first. I'm 5'9" & ride an 18", it just fits me spot on.

    The main difference in the '08 & '09 is that the frame tubing on the '09 is Reynolds tubing.

    geometry for the '08: http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/2008bikes/five-s.php

    & the '09: http://www.orangebikes.co.uk/2009bikes/ ... del_id=100

    seat angle remains @73, head angle goes from 68.5 to 67 ('08 to 09)

    I'd guess that the weights are fairly similar, my '08 (18") 5 Pro weighs in @28lb & could easily weigh less.
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  • Sam CHSam CH Posts: 6
    Thanks Andy_B,

    Well, my english... thanks !

    OK, so you mean it's not a bad idea to take a 2008 Five. 16'' was my idea for a funny bike. I'm looking for testing it. But the people who are importing Orange in Switzerland are not so good, doesn't answer any [email protected] and i don't know anybody riding an Orange Five.

    The 2008 Five got a 68.5° head angle. With what for a fork height ? That's good but a degree less would be better, almost without sag.
    Sam CH
  • Andy BAndy B Posts: 8,115
    yes I'd test a 16" one if you can the 18" is almost too big for me & I'm only a little taller than yourself.

    I'd guess that the '08 head angle was measured with the optimal fork length of 140mm. If you wanted a slacker head angle then you could run upto a 160mm fork.

    Orange are pretty helpful if you email them: [email protected]
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  • grantwaygrantway Posts: 1,430
    I have the 08 Orange 5 AM and have the 160 fork upfront but found best to set
    sag at 40% What Fox reccomend for Freeride setting.

    Makes it feel more balanced upfront to rear and trackes better with this much sag.
  • dave_hilldave_hill Posts: 3,877
    Sam CH wrote:
    Thanks Andy_B,

    Well, my english... thanks !

    OK, so you mean it's not a bad idea to take a 2008 Five. 16'' was my idea for a funny bike. I'm looking for testing it. But the people who are importing Orange in Switzerland are not so good, doesn't answer any [email protected] and i don't know anybody riding an Orange Five.

    The 2008 Five got a 68.5° head angle. With what for a fork height ? That's good but a degree less would be better, almost without sag.

    Just for reference, in the UK Mountain Bike Rider (MBR) magazine gave the Orange 5 top marks in their annual "Trail Bike of the Year" test, both in 2008 and in 2009.

    They said that even though it was so good in 2008, they felt that the changes for 2009 definitely made a difference, making the bike's suspension perform better and feeling more stable at the expense of it's ability to climb.
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  • Sam CHSam CH Posts: 6
    If the 2009's better... Wow, I just want to have THE trail bike. For me, that means :

    - climb, without bobing when on the saddle,
    - not to heavy, something under 30lbs, 28 would be good,
    - descending like a toy, I want to play between the trees, turn around the rocks, jump over the roots, what does mountain biking great, in fact.
    - reliable...
    - efficient

    What else ? Nespresso ? Oh no, not at all...

    I want the Five, I'm sure about it. With a Pike or a Lyric in 150mm... Hmmm lovely !

    Does someone have some pictures of Fives ?
    Sam CH
  • Chaz.HardingChaz.Harding Posts: 3,144
    Get a Lyrik coil U-turn.

    Adjustable travel from 115 (climbs) to 160 (fun times).

    And I've heard nothing but great reviews for the Orange 5. Apart from it's looks, but I guess thats subjective, right?
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  • grantwaygrantway Posts: 1,430
    For what I hear I wouldnt bother with the Lyrik Seem to still have
    problems with it has last year.
    Stick with a Fox Talas
  • Sam CHSam CH Posts: 6
    As far as I know the only Lyrik that had/have problems are the 2 steps.

    I've got Rock Shox since 6 years now, do the service and reparation myself. I prefer to continue with RS. My only Problem is if I take a 2008 Five, then i need a 150mm Pike or Lyrik... That means air fork.
    Sam CH
  • Kiwi KrankerKiwi Kranker Posts: 416
    Been running the lyrik on the Ransom, its the coil version, heavy but has been nothing but faultless. I owe my front teeth to that fork more than once :lol:

    Having to wind it up and down gets a bt old so I generally just leave it set at 160mm unless I have a particularly long or technical climb ahead of me.
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  • grantwaygrantway Posts: 1,430
    Your right it was the Two step
    But you can put on a 160 fork on the Orange 2008 model with no probs
  • Sam CHSam CH Posts: 6
    Well thanks at all for the comments.

    A friend of mine is now saying me to look at the blood.... He sended me this link [urlhttp://dirtmag.co.uk/news/category/products/dirt-office-bike-preview/dirt-1234563.html[/url]

    And... wow, very nice. It's like the true orange, but in facts the angles, the geometry... looks nice.

    A comparison of the geometry :

    Each time first the blood AM (with 160mm fork), second the Five AM (with 140mm fork)
    Head angle : 66° / 66°
    Seat tube angle : 74° / 72,3°
    Effective TT : 580 / 580
    BB height : -6 / +6 (here I don't understand what it means)
    Chainstay : 432 / 425
    Wheel base : 1146 / 1153

    I don't have any information about the weight of the blood.
    Sam CH
  • Andy BAndy B Posts: 8,115
    the BB height is measured relative to a horizontal line between the two hub axles.

    so a +ve number is a BB above the axles & a -ve number is a BB below the axle line.

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    In the case of the Blood it's -6, so the BB is 6mm below the axle line

    As for the weight you'll have to find an owner who knows the weight of their bike as very few manufacturers publish bike weights.

    I would hazard a guess that the Blood is a bit heavier then the Five.
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