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Gerolsteiner comments
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... oping.html
Ahhh, Aldag, exactly the right kind of man to be running a "clean" team.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Gerolsteiner comments
http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show ... oping.html
Ahhh, Aldag, exactly the right kind of man to be running a "clean" team.
True..can't help but feel Bob should have got different managers in, broke with T Mobile-Telekom era..0 -
Dave_1 wrote:
True..can't help but feel Bob should have got different managers in, broke with T Mobile-Telekom era..
Methinks Bob is one of those people who finds it difficult to admit he got something wrong and would rather carry on with his original choice even if it's plain to see it might not be the best course of action.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
iainf72 wrote:Dave_1 wrote:
True..can't help but feel Bob should have got different managers in, broke with T Mobile-Telekom era..
Methinks Bob is one of those people who finds it difficult to admit he got something wrong and would rather carry on with his original choice even if it's plain to see it might not be the best course of action.
the only thing I disagree with you on there is that...as they all have shady associations or pasts themselves literally nobody can say word about cleaning up cycling. The soluton- remove every manager from the 1990s and every soigneur involved with doped riders, replaced by professionallly ethically sound people who may or may not have come from within pro cycling...Brailsford, sports science grads who raced amatuer, MBAs, different backgrounds, should Breukink, Riis, Gianetti , Vaughters be managing teams ?0 -
But Bob doesn't come from a pro cycling background and for a smart guy, the depth of his naivety blows my tiny little mind
I think it's better having people involved who know the score, but those people should get all the skeletons out of the closet early and completely. Aldag only fessed up under pressure, ditto Zabel. And they're both employed by Columbia. Why are they allowing Cavendish to hang out with Cipo, for example? Is that a good idea?Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
God help me, I've no problem with Zabel. Whilst Aldag confessed to a careers worth of EPO use, as did Riis, his best friend maintained he'd used it for a period of a few months before packing it in due to the side effects. As my comments up the thread show, I shouldn't believe what anybody says but I always found him pretty convincing.
As for Cavendish, he brought Zabel on board. He's a grown up he can choose his own friends."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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iainf72 wrote:But Bob doesn't come from a pro cycling background and for a smart guy, the depth of his naivety blows my tiny little mind
I think it's better having people involved who know the score, but those people should get all the skeletons out of the closet early and completely. Aldag only fessed up under pressure, ditto Zabel. And they're both employed by Columbia. Why are they allowing Cavendish to hang out with Cipo, for example? Is that a good idea?
people won't give away their enitre palmares and secondly..would there be any sponsors left when the scale of the past problem was finally exposed i.e everyone doped from start to finish of their career...I think there's a happy medium...they leave the sport quietly0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Speaking of joining the dots, CFA posted this
Steffi Graf? Surely not. We all know that tennis is a game of skill etc.0 -
disgruntledgoat wrote:God help me, I've no problem with Zabel. Whilst Aldag confessed to a careers worth of EPO use, as did Riis, his best friend maintained he'd used it for a period of a few months before packing it in due to the side effects. As my comments up the thread show, I shouldn't believe what anybody says but I always found him pretty convincing.
As for Cavendish, he brought Zabel on board. He's a grown up he can choose his own friends.
Zabel is no better than Aldag. Yes, Zabel said he stopped using EPO because of the dangerous side effects. But just how long would Zabel had continued to dope if he didn't have any side effects?
I'd had more respect for Zabel if he said he stopped because it was wrong.0 -
You've just porposed some sort of cycling thought-crime there. What's the best reason for remaining clean throughout your career? Aversion to needles? Side effects too harsh for you? You're pure as the driven snow? Let's see a league table!
It doesn't matter why you don't dope just that you don't."In many ways, my story was that of a raging, Christ-like figure who hauled himself off the cross, looked up at the Romans with blood in his eyes and said 'My turn, sock cookers'"
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A little anecdote on the German/Austrian clinic saga, to emphasise this doping culture issue.
I was recently re-watching the 2006 Tour. On the first mountain stage, that was covered in full by Eurosport, David Harmon was interviewing a "guest" in the box.
I forget the guy's name, but he was the Chief Public Relations Officer for T Mobile.
T Mobile had signed one Sergey Honchar, who was at the time under a cloud of suspicion in regard to a doping offence.
Harmon asked the question as to what "medical checks" were carried out by T Mob, before signing a rider, especially one who might have been caught doping.
The PR bosses response was that the team had an "agreement", with the University Hospital of Freiburg, that meant that any new rider underwent banks of medical screening checks, upon their arrival at the team and that every T Mob rider had been screened by the establishment.
Now we have Kohl with Vienna, along with the Rabo squad.
Conconi at the University of Ferrera.
Fuentes etc....
Yes, I'd say it was a culture. One of the establishment, not just riders."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Birillo wrote:Speaking of joining the dots, CFA posted this
Steffi Graf? Surely not. We all know that tennis is a game of skill etc.
The Steffi Graf in question here is Austrian 800m runner Stephanie Graf, who ran one of the fastest ever indoor 800m times a few years back, but had a career dogged by rumours... once she pulled out of a championship meeting at late notice because she cut her foot in the shower, which earned some guarded comments by Steve Cram at the time...
IIRC I think she cut her career short with health issues. Interestingly her manager, Robert Wagner, who is on that chart, was the manager of Jolander Ceplak, who was busted for EPO in 2007. Robert Wagner was also the manager for our own Kelly Holmes (Who made some disparaging remarks about Ceplak years before she was caught) and Colin Jackson.0 -
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0
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Beware of the effects of extensive use of various performance enhacing drugs...a little known side effect is the disastrous visual consequence, especially when coupled with guilt, shame and embarassment.
Aggressive homoertoic behaviour is not unheard of either.
But never fear, if it ever gets too much to bear, a little ice can come in handy.
Contador is the Greatest0 -
And what is all this talk of EPO...there is nothing wrong with a good selection of olives washed down with a Pastis with ice cold water.
Contador is the Greatest0 -
Get the t-shirt!frenchfighter wrote:And what is all this talk of EPO...there is nothing wrong with a good selection of olives washed down with a Pastis with ice cold water.0 -
Having tasted it, that EPO is probably fouler than the kind you inject! I'd ride like hell just to get away from a second glass!
The O was not for olives, though. It was for another alcohol they put in there. uhg...0
