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Identify My Frame?

cleeve hill rejectcleeve hill reject Posts: 426
edited March 2009 in Workshop
Hi, I'm trying to identify the frame on a bike I've bought, Its a Orange and Black/Carbon Carbon frame which the previous owner told me is 2004/05 vintage, it has full 7800 Dura Ace and Gipiemme T-Quatro 24s Race Team wheels. However, the frame has no markings on it! It has a serial number under the bottom bracket which is RL-56-0041, presumably the 56 is the size, can anyone help? It did have a Giant bottle cage on it, maybe it is a Giant with stickers removed? If someone explains how I can put some pictures of it up. Thanks!

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  • LagavulinLagavulin Posts: 1,688
    cleeve hill reject wrote:
    If someone explains how I can put some pictures of it up. Thanks!
    Instructions here.
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  • maddog 2maddog 2 Posts: 8,114
    if you email the pics ti reggiegasket [at] yahoo.co.uk then I'll post them up
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  • cleeve hill rejectcleeve hill reject Posts: 426
    Here are some pictures of it, I hope someone recognises what it is!

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  • pbracingpbracing Posts: 231
    I would say giant because of the way the seat stays come so low to the seat post. I'm not sure if they were doing the ultra compact top tubes by then though? Which this doesn't have.
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  • whyamiherewhyamihere Posts: 7,513
    There's absolutely no way that's a Giant. No idea what it is though...
  • barrybainesbarrybaines Posts: 273
    Thats an odd one strange gusset work, looks nice though!
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  • Nelson LongflapNelson Longflap Posts: 129
    I'd date a frame like that from around 1997-1999. In those ancient times, a lot of carbon frames had separate coarse-weave tubes which were bonded onto internal aluminium lugs and then a filler was applied around the joint to give a slightly more aero/smooth look - trying to give a monocoque appearance. These joints were hidden with paint, while the central part of the tube got a clear-coat over the weave. Apart from the lowered wishbone part of the seat-stay, it looks very similar to an Ambrosio Stelvio frame I bought in '98. (Actually the seat stay assembly itself looks identical) Ambrosio don't make their own components but just source and 'badge up' generic stuff. I'd imagine this frame is quite flexy compared to present day offerings. Sorry to say this, but I don't think you've picked up a thing of great rarity or sought afterness. :( My Ambrosio only got me 90 quid on eBay :(:(
  • barrybainesbarrybaines Posts: 273
    Surely a quick flick of the tubes will confirm if it is full carbon or gusseted?
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  • cleeve hill rejectcleeve hill reject Posts: 426
    Nelson, what you're saying sounds right, however the joins between tubes appear to be hollow from the sound they make when they are tapped, having never owned a carbon frame before I'm not sure what a monocoque would sound like though. Would a 1 1/8" headset fit with it being a 97-99 era frame?
  • cleeve hill rejectcleeve hill reject Posts: 426
    I've just taken the stem off to check, it's actually a 1" headset with a shim to fit a 1 1/8" stem, so you're probably right Nelson. Not happy with the guy who sold it to me as just over 4 years old though!
  • crankycrankcrankycrank Posts: 1,830
    cleeve hill reject wrote:
    I've just taken the stem off to check, it's actually a 1" headset with a shim to fit a 1 1/8" stem, so you're probably right Nelson. Not happy with the guy who sold it to me as just over 4 years old though!

    Seems to me that 1" steerers all but disapeared on road bikes after around '98-'99. So yes, I think your seller is feeding you a line of bull. :evil:
  • John.TJohn.T Posts: 3,698
    It looks a bit like an early Kestrel but I can not find any pics of those to compare.
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  • cougiecougie Posts: 22,512
    I reckon John has nailed it :

    http://www.duathlon.com/data/classified ... s/6120.jpg

    This one is about 1998 - so someone was either mistaken - or a fibber....
  • Nelson LongflapNelson Longflap Posts: 129
    Believe me, CHR's frame ain't a Kestrel (EMS200)! A chum of mine had one of those when we rode together in the late 90's, and they were pretty classy frames. Had very smooth, flowing lines. If you examine the rear of the seat-tube (on the Kestrel), you'll notice it's cut out to bring the rear wheel further forward - and it had a stupidly tight clearance. The seatstay on cleeve hill's frame is relatively crudely mitred and joined to the seat-tube, whereas on the Kestrel it swoops majestically at the join giving the appearance of one-piece constuction (which it might have been). The Kestrel also had a very slightly downward sloping top-tube which you can't make out in the picture, and I'm almost certain they were all fully painted. CycleSurgery in the EastEnd of London used to sell'em. Blimey, it''s amazing what you can remember.

    CHR's frame is a Kestrel EMS200 wannabe! Getting closer though..
  • cougiecougie Posts: 22,512
    I think you're right - V similar though - but the rear triangle looks different too :

    http://www.ridefetish.com/bike/show/31
  • cleeve hill rejectcleeve hill reject Posts: 426
    Yeah, similar style but not the same, given me agood idea of the age though, thanks for the help!
  • John.TJohn.T Posts: 3,698
    I was thinking of an earlier model than the EMS200. Nearer 1995 time. Long time since I saw one though. If it rides well it does not really matter though.
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  • synchronicitysynchronicity Posts: 1,415
    It doesn't look like any Kestrel I've ever seen, nor the earlier 4000 model Kestrel.

    Just a guess, but could it be an Aegis or something like that?
    And I thought the first giant bikes were all compact. Hell, they 'invented' compact. :?

    Sorry to say this, but it looks older than 2004.

    Did those pedals come with the bike or are they yours?
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  • justrestingjustresting Posts: 292
    will the age affect the strength/safety of the frame ? tbh if it doesn't I think its a lovely bike.
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  • cleeve hill rejectcleeve hill reject Posts: 426
    I put the ancient Look pedals on myself to match the white themed kit I've put on it. Rides nicely, stiffer and lighter than the Aluminum Fondriest I was riding before, not convinced I like the orange paintjob, doesn't quite work with my blue club kit!
  • justrestingjustresting Posts: 292
    cleeve hill reject wrote:
    I put the ancient Look pedals on myself to match the white themed kit I've put on it. Rides nicely, stiffer and lighter than the Aluminum Fondriest I was riding before, not convinced I like the orange paintjob, doesn't quite work with my blue club kit!

    orange & blue are opposite each other on the artists colour wheel, and are therefore complementary so couldn't be better.
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  • cleeve hill rejectcleeve hill reject Posts: 426
    Anybody want to hazard a guess at a valuation to see if I've been completely mugged? Answers on the back of a postcard please!
  • biondinobiondino Posts: 5,990
    I think it's really nice looking and unusual. If it rides well then great, though if the previous owner has been bullshitting you you might want to get it professionally looked at in case it's been crashed etc.
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