Rivington mtb outrage!

Raymondavalon

Will, I own Land Rovers myself [Defender 90 300TDi and a Discovery SII V8] and I am tired of being tarred with the "planet killer" or "Chelsea Tractor" brush by the envirocrats
I use my vehicles responsibly when off roading and they are not daily use vehicles either, for that I have a VW Golf Diesel. I even have to pay £400/year road tax on the Discovery which does less than 3000 miles/year.

However, whenever there are floods, the Land Rover clubs come to the aid of those in need, helping to recover vehicles or get people to higher ground
If we see cars stuck in snow or mud, we selflessly reach for the recovery rope and bow shackles and help without ever asking for any reward. When the club does it's spring runs through the green lanes we take chainsaws with and often cut all the overhanging branches away making the lanes more usable for all.

The general relationship between MTB'ers, horse riders and 4x4 owners out in the green lanes is very good. We often stop to chat out in the countryside. We give bikers their space and they often give us right of way without any bullsh*t between us
Sadly the uninformed are usually the most judgmental.

Will Snow

Raymondavalon wrote:

Sadly the uninformed are usually the most judgmental.

Too easy to make MTB-rambler connection... must resist...

Also, anyone who calls a landy a chelsae tractor should get a slap. Why?? these things are actually designed to go off road.. who needs 4x4 in town?? Sorry, slight tangent there

dave_hill

Will Snow wrote:

Oh and vegetable oil conversion kits are available for land rovers are becoming more popular for obvious reasons.

Yes, because the fuel is cheap. The oil is less refined than diesel and has a lower octane rating so it burns less efficiently and causes more pollution... :roll:

dave_hill

Will Snow wrote:

very true, but cold vege oil doesnt run very well

Shot yourself in the foot there a bit, didn't you???

Will Snow wrote:

conversion kits allow the diesel to heat up the oil, making it more viscous.

Errr actually heating oil breaks down it's molecular structure making it LESS viscous... :shock:

grumsta

Still none of the land rover apologists are saying anything about erosion/destruction of green lanes.

BorisSpencer

If erosion and destruction is the main gripe about 4x4s on green lanes, shouldn't your efforts be directed towards getting horses banned first ?

My Suzuki leaves a shallower rut through soft terrain than my bike does.

grumsta

Yup banning horses would be good too. :P

Not convinced they do more damage than 4x4s though - just compare tracks where 4x4s are allowed to ones where they aren't, they usually seem much worse.

I dunno - I just think ragging groups of 8+ 4x4s along green lanes, spinning wheels like crazy to get over obstacles, not saying thank you to ppl giving way, is just fairly antisocial and unpleasant. I have seen this more than once in the lakes.

One or two driven reasonably don't really bother me that much tbh

Tank-slapper

Raymondavalon wrote:

However, whenever there are floods, the Land Rover clubs come to the aid of those in need, helping to recover vehicles or get people to higher ground
If we see cars stuck in snow or mud, we selflessly reach for the recovery rope and bow shackles and help without ever asking for any reward. When the club does it's spring runs through the green lanes we take chainsaws with and often cut all the overhanging branches away making the lanes more usable for all.

It feels like you are using these public spirited services to blackmail us into letting the 4x4 community churn up the countryside and turn it into a mudbath. If that is the case, please don't bother.

The Northern Monkey

Lets just ban everything and call it quits

That seems to be happening in this day and age anyways. It gonna be so bloody boring in the next decade, everything will be "too dangerous", "too destructive" or "too expensive".

Raymondavalon

Tank-slapper wrote:

It feels like you are using these public spirited services to blackmail us into letting the 4x4 community churn up the countryside and turn it into a mudbath. If that is the case, please don't bother.

Oh don't flatter yourself, really.. no need to.

So, what have I as a cyclist done for the local rural community lately? To be honest, not much other than annoy a few ramblers..

stumpyjon

Job's a good un then

BorisSpencer

Most of the members of our county 4X4 club have reported to their nearest fire station today, in order to ferry personel and equipment through the snow.

Mjolnir

bigbenj_08 wrote:

everything will be "too dangerous"

Health and Safety - Makes for a boring place doesn't it

dave_hill

BorisSpencer wrote:

Most of the members of our county 4X4 club have reported to their nearest fire station today, in order to ferry personel and equipment through the snow.

Big whoop, what do they want, a medal? Bet they rang their bosses first and said they couldn't get to work :evil:

Tank-slapper

Raymondavalon wrote:

Tank-slapper wrote:

It feels like you are using these public spirited services to blackmail us into letting the 4x4 community churn up the countryside and turn it into a mudbath. If that is the case, please don't bother.

Oh don't flatter yourself, really.. no need to.

No, I mean it, please don't bother.

Raymondavalon wrote:

So, what have I as a cyclist done for the local rural community lately? To be honest, not much other than annoy a few ramblers..

This is an odd thing to say considering your earlier comment....

Raymondavalon wrote:

Sadly the uninformed are usually the most judgmental.

Will Snow

grumsta wrote:

I dunno - I just think ragging groups of 8+ MTB's along green lanes, spinning wheels like crazy to get over obstacles, not saying thank you to ppl giving way, is just fairly antisocial and unpleasant. I have seen this more than once in the lakes.

Wow, its like it could taken from Rambler radar!!

I dont think you understand how vege oil conversion works, dave_hill. It may burn more inneffciently, but because we have grown it, it is supposedly carbon neutral. Oil and diesel is taken from the planet, and when it is burnt, the gases are released into the atmosphere. What is the difference? Well fossil fuels put gas into to the world that wasnt there before(or atleast, for millions of years), vege oil is something that has been grown very quickly, then burnt, making it, ahem, carbon neutral. Sort of, except it isnt, nothing is.

I dont understand how i shot myself in the foot either? Cold vege oil doesnt run well, that is why there is separate diesel pre heating system. might i sggest you research this topic some more? http://www.diesel-therm.com/vegetable-oil-kit.htm

Anyway, original point of the thread?? Sorry to hear about losing your trails.[/b]

Tank-slapper

I was in t' Dales a couple of weeks ago and this was in the local paper:

http://www.darlingtonandstocktontimes.c ... _restored/

Will Snow

http://www.walkingforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=2223.0

bahahaha you couldnt make it up

topsey_turvey

Think I'll go to Rivi on Saturday, just for a looksee. Anyone else?

Will Snow

lol i dont even know where it is!!

topsey_turvey

You live in Salford, and don't know where Rivi is??????????????????

Oh, and I'll be on a hardtail.

delcol

topsey turvey these signs were put up last year around may, they are long gone the main complaint was aronud the china gardens area,,

there is currently 2 trails being built at healy nab to keep bikers away from the gardens the trails are being built by rowan sorrels i think they will be a red and black trail there..

there were problems in the nab to with the d'h bragade bulding gap jumps over the main bridleway that runs through the nab,...
i don't know when the trail's will be finished or open they are under construction at the mo,, there are volunteer build days were you can go help build the trails if you want to put something back into the sport you enjoy...

and will you say you live in gun capital salford (braveman)

you don't know were rivington is it's that big red mast you can see lit up at night on winter hill well actually its just under it. head for horwich and you can't go wrong..
not to far from bolton near reebok stadium....

Will Snow

lol im a student at salford, and looking at google maps that place seems real close... well worth a visit when i get some free time... cheers. hopefully those miserable walkers wont get their way

stumpyjon

Will Snow wrote:

I dont think you understand how vege oil conversion works, dave_hill. It may burn more inneffciently, but because we have grown it, it is supposedly carbon neutral.

it's not just the global warming effect that's causing environmental problems, it's all the nasty toxin and carbon monoxide that engines produce as well. By definition something that burns less efficiently will create more nasty byproducts, a 100% efficient burn process should only produce CO2 & water.

As for the Rivi controversy I think this is actually an old story rehashed, a guy I work with rides there regularly and the signs were put up last year. It should probaly also be noted that a lot of what people consdier the trails up there are footpaths not bridleways, the descent into Belmont from Winter Hill being a point in case.

Will Snow

stumpyjon wrote:

it's not just the global warming effect that's causing environmental problems, it's all the nasty toxin and carbon monoxide that engines produce as well. By definition something that burns less efficiently will create more nasty byproducts, a 100% efficient burn process should only produce CO2 & water.

Eh?? You can only get out what you put in...

dave_hill

I'm bored now, I'm off to look at some cardboard... :roll:

topsey_turvey

Thanks for the above. I know that those signs are old, and that the controversy has been rehashed for some strange reason. I also know about Healey Nab, and the head high jump across a bridleway that the baggy jeans brigade are trying to make.

The Chinese Gardens is the main problem at Rivi, with (mainly) youf thinking that they can go anywhere so long as they shout "Get out of the way". As ever the minority spoil it for the majority.

I use Rivi as my default ride destination. The plan was to go there on Saturday, largely because there will be too much snow and ice elsewhere.

grumsta

Well yeah I find large groups of any trail user quite annoying generally, including walkers and mtbers - but 4x4s are by far the most damaging and invasive.

Lol at being in Salford and not knowing where Rivington is - typical clueless student! From daan saaaf by any chance? :twisted:

delcol

sorry,, topsey thought you did'nt know :oops:

to much snow and ice don't say that i'm off work now till next monday and was about to embark on a trip to the 7 stanes in scotland for 5 days ,,, i never been up there,..

i to use rivi as my default as it's on my door step and ideal for a quick get out with some kind of climb as apposed to dodging dog poooooooop, glass, needles, burnout, cars lippy chavs, pikeys, and whatever else frequents the not to good local trails in my crappy little mancunian town... :shock:

Bikerbaboon

Will Snow wrote:

stumpyjon wrote:

it's not just the global warming effect that's causing environmental problems, it's all the nasty toxin and carbon monoxide that engines produce as well. By definition something that burns less efficiently will create more nasty byproducts, a 100% efficient burn process should only produce CO2 & water.

Eh?? You can only get out what you put in...

your right you get the same atoms out but in differing formations,
H20 is good
but H202 bad (bleach in hair dye) same attoms differing formations.

co2 not great but does still make up 20% of hte atmosphear
C0 if that made up 20% of hte atmos you and i would be dead.

small differance big change.

how an motor burns greatly affects the chemicals you pump out the back.