Why spend £2500 + when you can spend £700 on a bike?
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The main advantage is you can have more of what you want the more you spend. More comfort, more lightweight, more pedigree, more ultimate speed (aerodynamics), more bling...your pick.
This 'more' thing is not proportional though you get less more the more you spend. The jump from 1,600 quid to 2,400 gives you less more than the more you get from 800 to 1,600.0 -
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There you go more bling and more pedigree. Back to the OP though (riding advantages), I expect the Wilier more comfortable and nimble Lagavulin?0
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Wll at least you're saving money by asking the question on here.wilwil wrote:What are the main riding advantages an expensive bike gives you over a cheap one? For example an Allez Sport versus a Wilier Izoard?
A certain forum member (see a couple of posts above) has gone to the expense of buying both, just to answer that very question!
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He did it so you don't have to!M.Rushton0
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it is perfectly possible to build a good bike for around £700 and you absolutely do not 'need' to spend £2500 - whether you 'want' to is another matter. The bike I'm building at the moment is 90% sourced from ebay and the classifieds here - either good used parts or well-priced new. Spec so far...
Van Nicholas Chinook Ti frame (s/h)
Columbus Tusk carbon fork (very cheap - shop soiled)
Ritchey WCS headset (s/h)
Alpina carbon seatpost (s/h)
Flite Ti saddle (my own, from my old race bike)
Ultegra 9sp rear mech and shifters (my own)
Ultegra 9sp front mech (ebay, 99p)
Campag chorus calipers (from my old bike)
FSA omega bar & stem (new)
FSA gossamer megaexo compact crank (new, very cheap)
Time RXS carbon pedals (lightly used, s/h)
Easton EA70 wheel set (new)
Conti GP4season (new)
Currently weighing in at around 18lb and all for well under £800 in total. Admittedly a bit more than £700, but a new chinook frame alone costs more than that if you buy new. I'll stick a pic in the bikes thread when I get a chance...0 -
shimano sti's and campag brakes ... i take it you don't intend taking your wheels off any time soon?0
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6288 wrote:shimano sti's and campag brakes ... i take it you don't intend taking your wheels off any time soon?
they go on and off fine if you let some of the pressure out. In practice, this was never a problem - even when racing - because if I punctured during a race, then the race was effectively over anyway.
Having said that, I will upgrade the brakeset to a shimano-compatible setup sooner or later..0 -
Nuggs wrote:
Wll at least you're saving money by asking the question on here.wilwil wrote:What are the main riding advantages an expensive bike gives you over a cheap one? For example an Allez Sport versus a Wilier Izoard?
A certain forum member (see a couple of posts above) has gone to the expense of buying both, just to answer that very question!
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Look at the different price of bikes this way .........
One is an M&S suit , one is a Ted Baker suit, one is a Versace suit.
All very nice suits, but I'm not sure why the Versace suit costs 10 times the price of the M&S one :?:0 -
I think so, just not three or four times as comfortable/responsive.Chirg wrote:... I expect the Wilier more comfortable and nimble Lagavulin?
It is also light as a feather in comparison. There aren't many hills around here but the Izoard is more fun to climb on.
p.s. if I had the cash to splash I would buy a Cento Uno, 595, Orca etc.0 -
Nuggs wrote:
Wll at least you're saving money by asking the question on here.wilwil wrote:What are the main riding advantages an expensive bike gives you over a cheap one? For example an Allez Sport versus a Wilier Izoard?
A certain forum member (see a couple of posts above) has gone to the expense of buying both, just to answer that very question!
I've got both too.0 -
Its definitely a law of diminishing returns.
I have a £1500 CF bike
A £150 second hand MTB
A £300 fixie.
The second two bikes prob get more use than the first, but I love riding all of them. Theres really no need to spend £1500 on a bike - and if that was all the money I had - I'd prob spend less and buy two bikes for different uses rather than just one.0 -
It is one of those facts of life that the more you spend on a bike, the less you ride it !!0
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Poor comparison IMO. Change Versace for Saville Row and it would be better in that for Versace, a significant portion of the price is attributable to the name. The difference with a Saville Row suit is build quality, so to speak.Harp wrote:Look at the different price of bikes this way .........
One is an M&S suit , one is a Ted Baker suit, one is a Versace suit.
All very nice suits, but I'm not sure why the Versace suit costs 10 times the price of the M&S one :?:0 -
Well, if you're still asking the question then I reckon you've wasted a couple of grand...wilwil wrote:Nuggs wrote:
Wll at least you're saving money by asking the question on here.wilwil wrote:What are the main riding advantages an expensive bike gives you over a cheap one? For example an Allez Sport versus a Wilier Izoard?
A certain forum member (see a couple of posts above) has gone to the expense of buying both, just to answer that very question!
I've got both too.0 -
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Is this about clothes or bikes?I`ve got a pair of cheap m & s undies and some more expensive CK ones.I`m not sure which I prefer.Hope that helps.Smarter than the average bear.0
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Forgive me if I'm wrong but I get the impression you're less than impressed with the Izoard. Perhaps you need to cut your losses and treat yourself to that RS sooner rather than later.wilwil wrote:Nuggs wrote:
Wll at least you're saving money by asking the question on here.wilwil wrote:What are the main riding advantages an expensive bike gives you over a cheap one? For example an Allez Sport versus a Wilier Izoard?
A certain forum member (see a couple of posts above) has gone to the expense of buying both, just to answer that very question!
I've got both too. 0 -
Excellent question and a discussion, my mate and me are pretty convinced that large elements of the bike industry is taking the p**s at the moment with prices. Value in its simpliest form comes down to what people are prepared to pay and when a bike is put to the market it has a large amount of hyperbolle attached to it which is what leads you to believe in the value of the product and why you' parted company with the certain amount of cash. I think the answer is what bike suits you and how much are you prepared to believe what you are being told.'..all the bad cats in the bad hats..'0
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buy a £700 bike, ride it for a year, put 5000 miles on it, then ride a £2500 bike, then you'll know why.0
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Nuggs wrote:
Well, if you're still asking the question then I reckon you've wasted a couple of grand...wilwil wrote:Nuggs wrote:
Wll at least you're saving money by asking the question on here.wilwil wrote:What are the main riding advantages an expensive bike gives you over a cheap one? For example an Allez Sport versus a Wilier Izoard?
A certain forum member (see a couple of posts above) has gone to the expense of buying both, just to answer that very question!
I've got both too.
I wanted to see what other people thought.
Like HiFi and guitars you have to spend a fortune for slight improvement. The Wilier requires less effort and is more responsive when the power goes down, it doesn't soak up the bumps any better though, something carbon is supposed to do. I'm only talking about the ride here not the brands or the looks.0 -
Tail end Charlie wrote:It is one of those facts of life that the more you spend on a bike, the less you ride it !!
Hmm, I'm not finding that! I pimped up my Trek 1200 (handily it was £700 new in 2005) for winter riding, especially my commute, but am finding that 80% of the time I end up taking the Focus (see signature) instead as it's that much nippier and so much more fun to ride. Yes I'm sure I'm causing wear and tear but I'm loving riding it!0 -
A significant proportion of the cost of expensive bikes is also attributable to the name though. You don't actually get worse build quality for being mass produced in some Taiwanese factory rather than lovingly handbuilt in Italy. It's actually a pretty good analogy I reckon (even if the price differentials aren't quite as significant with bikes).Nuggs wrote:
Poor comparison IMO. Change Versace for Saville Row and it would be better in that for Versace, a significant portion of the price is attributable to the name. The difference with a Saville Row suit is build quality, so to speak.Harp wrote:Look at the different price of bikes this way .........
One is an M&S suit , one is a Ted Baker suit, one is a Versace suit.
All very nice suits, but I'm not sure why the Versace suit costs 10 times the price of the M&S one :?:0 -
The law of diminishing returns - and how it applies here. It's worth pointing out, I think, that the cost at the top end of the bicycle world has gone through the roof in recent years, as the industry has figured out just how elastic the price tolerance of many cyclists is.
With the quality of engineering that is possible today, buying a bike for more than 2 grand more or less puts you in the "my ego is too fragile for me to ride anything but the 'best' "(read: most expensive). And that's most of us.
And don't Trek, Cervelo, Colnago et al. know it.0 -
Lagavulin wrote:
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I get the impression you're less than impressed with the Izoard. Perhaps you need to cut your losses and treat yourself to that RS sooner rather than later.wilwil wrote:Nuggs wrote:
Wll at least you're saving money by asking the question on here.wilwil wrote:What are the main riding advantages an expensive bike gives you over a cheap one? For example an Allez Sport versus a Wilier Izoard?
A certain forum member (see a couple of posts above) has gone to the expense of buying both, just to answer that very question!
I've got both too.
To much loss to cut at the moment. I'm not picking on the Izoard just using it as an example.0
