Astana keen to sign Vino
Who's your daddy Bruyneel? Does he live in a natural resources rich state with a poor human rights record?
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap ... &type=lgns
http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news?slug=ap ... &type=lgns
Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.
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Hooray! No Astana at the Tour then.
It's self preservation from Alberto to say he would welcome it, same as he's had to be polite about Armstrong's return. Poor bloke, done up like a kipper on every front. Unless he really welcomes it all in which case he's dafter than a brush.0 -
In a seperate press release, Alberto Contador apparently said "I'm really looking forward to the Tour of Austria. This excellent race is still missing on my palmares and I look forward to competing in the beautiful Austrian countryside next July".0
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Johan's banking on Vino being tied up in CAS until at least August, isn't he? Or praying that they can keep him out of being registered for OOC testing as long as possible to stop him being eligible.0
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This sport is just F****** crazy! Its :oops:0
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No your right this sport is crazy why deal with these issues when you can be like everyone else and ignore them or sweep them under a rug. Vino will try to get back, and not surprisingly the team created for him will want him back but there is no way his ever going to race again because if the worst happens and he does sign with Astana again no Race will invite him. Even with a pro tour license the ASO and everyother race organiser will not allow them to race and the silver lining is that the UCI will back them up which might help that whole situation a bit more.Take care of the luxuries and the necessites will take care of themselves.0
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I could be wrong of course
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2008/dec08/dec05news
could be vinos Leadville :shock: :? still dont think he will ever race in a protour team againTake care of the luxuries and the necessites will take care of themselves.0 -
Explains LaLa's Vino remarks to the comic, though....
I've been saying this for months now.
18 months deal and on Lance's back wheel....."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
surely if they don't get him with CAS, they'll get him with the 6 month drug testing prior to comeback rule? I see no wriggling around it a la Armstrong0
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Haven't the UCI have helped create this mess by not going after him for the full 2 years from the start as he was 'retiring'. This forum predicted what would happen. I might of course not be in possession of the facts given that I'm not an employee of either the UCI, Astana or the Kazakh cycling federation/government.0
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Yes, it is partly sloppy behaviour by the UCI, unable to "dot the i's and cross the t's" because if they don't push for full bans and enforce their own rules, what's the point?
But the main problem is the team, or those behind it. They haven't moved on and in seeking to promote and reward this cheat, who humiliated ASO, they won't be doing any favours for all the other riders in the team and the sport in general.
Bruyneel ought to be laying down the law to Astana's sponsors. He's already getting 98% of the media attention now and should be able to tell the figures behind the team not to jeopardise the future of the team and its image. Certainly he should be making the right noises in the media.0 -
Bruyneel is happy that he won't have any trouble getting Vino to take drugs as the rest of the team do!!!!I say what I like and I like what I say!0
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richard wants a baum wrote:
could be vinos Leadville :shock: :? still dont think he will ever race in a protour team again
The organisers have dropped him from the event
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/05122008/ ... event.html
He'll be in Astana.
Now that Lance is back in the fold, Bruyneel thinks as a unit they call the shots.Fckin' Quintana … that creep can roll, man.0 -
Its about time we stopped giving inches to One Nut and his bitch Brunyeel. Both born of doping,not being caught doesn't mean s**t.
They know,the peleton knows and we know the truth about that whole era.
Hey,why not get O.J Simpson to open the superbowl.
Poor old Contador,it must be like seeing your date get it on with her ex then get Vino in for a threesome
Albertos team leader, no wait,the strongest riders team leader,no sorry Mr Armstrong sir you are team leader,shall Johaan give you your real special massage after the race, BEEYATCH!0 -
Maybe if the Governing bodies could store samples properly One Nut might also also be otherwise engaged, oh no sorry,the cortisone was for a saddle sore0
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Vino will probably ride the autumn classics with the Astana team, there is nothing Johan can do about it.(If he is allowed to ride by the UCI that is)
"Poor Contador"? You guys are killing me, you were crucifying him until Lance came back.
You hate winners, that is obvious... well, except Cavendish.
Just go out and ride, and enjoy the show pro sports are.0 -
Arkibal wrote:Vino will probably ride the autumn classics with the Astana team, there is nothing Johan can do about it.(If he is allowed to ride by the UCI that is)
"Poor Contador"? You guys are killing me, you were crucifying him until Lance came back.
You hate winners, that is obvious... well, except Cavendish.
Just go out and ride, and enjoy the show pro sports are.
seconded ,,, if Cav was anything but british i could only imagine the snidey comments ... i have said before and will say again ... how come one team (ie. gb and/or high road/columbia) ) is so successful???0 -
Yes, 'cos Columbia are such a popular team here & you can see hundreds of posts saying that they're clean....6288 wrote:seconded ,,, if Cav was anything but british i could only imagine the snidey comments ... i have said before and will say again ... how come one team (ie. gb and/or high road/columbia) ) is so successful???
FFS, read before coming to a conclusion: it makes your posts so much less, well, stupid sounding...
From Tuesday:
How hard was that to find?iainf72 wrote:Q : What's the difference between Michael Ball and Bob Stapleton?
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iainf72 wrote:bennyboyh wrote:Maybe if the Governing bodies could store samples properly One Nut might also also be otherwise engaged, oh no sorry,the cortisone was for a saddle sore
Que?
There was no sample storage problem?
I think the OP is referring to the time elapsed since the samples were taken. So much time had passed it was deemed unsafe :? .Rock 'n' Roule0 -
6288 wrote:Arkibal wrote:Vino will probably ride the autumn classics with the Astana team, there is nothing Johan can do about it.(If he is allowed to ride by the UCI that is)
"Poor Contador"? You guys are killing me, you were crucifying him until Lance came back.
You hate winners, that is obvious... well, except Cavendish.
Just go out and ride, and enjoy the show pro sports are.
seconded ,,, if Cav was anything but british i could only imagine the snidey comments ... i have said before and will say again ... how come one team (ie. gb and/or high road/columbia) ) is so successful???
GB are winning so much becasue theres no competition. High road/Columbia won alot of races not all of them that big. Personally i think its been a pretty even year Columbia did well in some 1week stage races CSC got the big one Astana got the other two and the Classics were spread around as well. Hardly complete domination by any one team though that might have been another story if Astana went to the Tour.Take care of the luxuries and the necessites will take care of themselves.0 -
No, my main point wasn't repetition, nor did I state or imply that it was anywhere.6288 wrote:erm, if ur main point is repetition then just sack pretty much the whole forum ...
and my grammar was fine thanks ... your version was also correct ... well done ... something to tell ur mum about ... when social services finally get back to you ...
My point was that that the example you picked to demonstrate your point actually undermined the point that you were trying to make. I was (admittedly, very sarcastically) asking you to rethink your argument in the light of this. There are examples you could have used to make that point which would have helped, not hindered, your argument.
I maintain that you didn't read other things that were being written, which made your point look childish & stupid.
(& BTW, I wasn't criticising grammar at all (again, it helps to read what's being written): you're absolutely right that both clauses are grammatically correct, however, they say quite different things, which is why I was asking)0 -
Arkibal wrote"Poor Contador"? You guys are killing me, you were crucifying him until Lance came back. You hate winners, that is obvious... well, except Cavendish
For both you and 6288....Two things. First 'poor Contador' is meant in the context of his current team, team mates and DS. Second, you will find opinion on Cav split down the middle even among Brits.
There are nuances that obviously escape your notice when you read posts. This extends to ignoring what has been said and asserting your opinions as fact/correct while switching convesations to something to set off a new thread like dropping Columbia/Cav into this conversation about something else (others have rebutted your assertions there above).0 -
I see this thread has been ambushed by the "personal attack" brigade.
Not a fact or statistic to back up any argument, because there is hardly
anything in their philosophy that is cycling related.
Arkibal: Does this sound like Bruyneel is being forced into this situation?
Once the case is settled, Astana boss Johan Bruyneel said the team would welcome Vinokourov.
“Once his suspension is finished and he’s OK with all the official instances—mainly with the UCI—and he’s able to get a license, this is a Kazakhstan team,” Bruyneel said Thursday from the team’s preseason training camp. “This team was created for him, so if he wants to race it would be logical that he is with Astana."
Or is this just PR whitewash? If this is, what else is bulls**t? The last sentence is exactly the same has his welcome Lance speech.
As for Cavendish and Contador. I suggest both of you take note of SB's comment above, as unlike your posts, it's accurate."Science is a tool for cheaters". An anonymous French PE teacher.0 -
Blazing Saddles wrote:I see this thread has been ambushed by the "personal attack" brigade.
Not a fact or statistic to back up any argument, because there is hardly
anything in their philosophy that is cycling related.
Arkibal: Does this sound like Bruyneel is being forced into this situation?
Once the case is settled, Astana boss Johan Bruyneel said the team would welcome Vinokourov.
“Once his suspension is finished and he’s OK with all the official instances—mainly with the UCI—and he’s able to get a license, this is a Kazakhstan team,” Bruyneel said Thursday from the team’s preseason training camp. “This team was created for him, so if he wants to race it would be logical that he is with Astana."
Or is this just PR whitewash? If this is, what else is bulls**t? The last sentence is exactly the same has his welcome Lance speech.
As for Cavendish and Contador. I suggest both of you take note of SB's comment above, as unlike your posts, it's accurate.
Presumably "personal attacks" against Armstrong are OK though?Le Blaireau (1)0 -
Back to subject..........
In an interview some weeks ago (Astana website I think?), JB was asked about LA/AC conflict. To paraphrase, he said he would not be dictated to by either, and that his bosses were the sponsors only.
The Kazakh sponsors, I would suspect are at least guided by Vinokourov if not lead by him.
So it is not possible that Vino already has influence in the running of the team, and that Bruyneel's control is nowhere near what he had at Discovery?0 -
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+ a bit of irony, I'd have thought. When is a personal attack not a personal attack? When it's directed towards a "fanboy"...Le Blaireau (1)0
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never mind, I give up0
