Campagnolo Record 11 Speed - KMC Quick Link

PinarelloFP3
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Hi,
Just purchased the new 11 Speed Record, have yet to fit it to the bike, but I am reluctant to use the Campag Pin on the Chain. As this year I drove 250 miles for a sportive, only to snap a 10 Speed Chorus chain a mile and a half into the Sportive. So I vowed only to use KMC Quick Links. I have read on other forums that a 10 speed Shimano Dura-ace chain works with 11 Speed Campag?
So my main question is will a KMC Quick Link (10 speed Shimano) work with my 11 Speed Record?
Has anyone had expereince of this?
Your thoughs are much welcomed!
Just purchased the new 11 Speed Record, have yet to fit it to the bike, but I am reluctant to use the Campag Pin on the Chain. As this year I drove 250 miles for a sportive, only to snap a 10 Speed Chorus chain a mile and a half into the Sportive. So I vowed only to use KMC Quick Links. I have read on other forums that a 10 speed Shimano Dura-ace chain works with 11 Speed Campag?
So my main question is will a KMC Quick Link (10 speed Shimano) work with my 11 Speed Record?
Has anyone had expereince of this?
Your thoughs are much welcomed!
I'm not cubby! Just big boned!
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I don't know, but I doubt it. Even the KMC 10 speed joining links for Campag/Shimano are different so I'd doubt a 10speed Shimano KMC link will work properly with an even narrower chain (the 11 speed is 5.5mm instead of 10 speed which is 5.8mm)
Hopefully KMC will start doing their own links/chains for Campag 11.0 -
Wouldn't it be easier if you bought a KMC chain?. Just a thought.
Imo always better than Campag's offerings. Then buy a spare link or two.0 -
PinarelloFP3 wrote:I drove 250 miles for a sportive, only to snap a 10 Speed Chorus chain a mile and a half into the Sportive.
And you bought 11 speed?
Can we all write to Mr Camapgnolo and Mr Shimano and request the reintroduction of 8 speed with 3/8 chains please?0 -
err..no.0
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You do get a 4 year guarantee tho' but what the small print says might be interesting. I suspect ifyou use anything other than OEM your warranty is invalid.M.Rushton0
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I very much doubt it... The 11v chain is 5.5mm wide and although the internal dimension is the same the external is narrower to clear the more tightly spaced rear sprockets.
I have used KMC with 2008 Record for the convenience of taking it off to clean or travel but a quicklink in itself is not much use if you have a broken chain. You'd need a chain tool to help with that... Your bad experience with the Chorus chain is likely bad luck or poor installation rather than anything intrinsically wrong with Chorus chains.
KMC, WIpperman and co will likely release 5.5mm compatible quicklinks in due course but the 11v pins are deformed slightly at the end when installed with the 11v chain tool. This may all be Campag noise - 10v cranks reportedly work perfectly with 11v chain for example - but for the moment stick the 11v chain on when you find someone with the 11v chain tool...0 -
Thanks all for your thoughts, it’s much appreciated.
James_London - that is my biggest problem I will be attaching the chain together for the first time without an approved campag chain tool, just your average Park Tool. (As I did with the Chorus one! Thus leading to it failing at the joining link!)
So my options are get an approved Campag chain tool (big money for very little use) or wait for KMC to pull their finger out!!
Thanks again
FP3I'm not cubby! Just big boned!0 -
All for Information:
I understand this may come up against some opposition, but it works.
A KMC Shimano Quick Link will work with a Campagnolo 11 speed Record chain.
(Campagnolo 11 speed is flawless shifting, a massive difference from my 10 speed Chorus)
This is stress is only a temporary fix until KMC release the appropriate link.
Thanks for all your responses
FP3I'm not cubby! Just big boned!0 -
mrushton wrote:You do get a 4 year guarantee tho' but what the small print says might be interesting. I suspect ifyou use anything other than OEM your warranty is invalid.
I think you void your warranty if you use anything except an 100% campag drive train.0 -
cock_sportif wrote:I think you void your warranty if you use anything except an 100% campag drive train.
And, presumably, the £100 Campag 11 speed chain tool?0 -
"Note that use of any items outside the Campagnolo system may cause injury or death"
I'm sure that using a 10v Campagnolo chainset would also void the warranty...0 -
Apologies for a hi jacking this thread, but..
Considering I'm already using Record 10, what's the minimum requirement to convert to 11?
Can I get away with shifters, cassette and chain or is that far, far too easy....?0 -
I bought the campag chaintool (10sp), use campag chains with the proper link pin and do everything to the letter as per the instructions, and have never had a chain snap (I've had other chains snap).
If it's any consolation, the official campag chaintool is a lovely piece of kit, really solid and easy to use because it fixes the chain in exactly the right place (and you can use it on other chains too).0 -
bobbymeister wrote:I'm already using Record 10, what's the minimum requirement to convert to 11? Can I get away with shifters, cassette and chain or is that far, far too easy....?
I think the only thing you can carry over are the UT cranks themselves. Even the 11 speed chainrings are a different so you'll have to change those (they will fit the 10 speed crankset apparently)0 -
magliaceleste wrote:bobbymeister wrote:I'm already using Record 10, what's the minimum requirement to convert to 11? Can I get away with shifters, cassette and chain or is that far, far too easy....?
I think the only thing you can carry over are the UT cranks themselves. Even the 11 speed chainrings are a different so you'll have to change those (they will fit the 10 speed crankset apparently)
You do apparently also need a new rear mech, as the geometry has changed - I'd have thought you'll almost certainly get away with a 10-speed front mech though (0.4mm is hardly a huge amount in the context of one of those). So the minimum is probably shifters, cassette, chain, rear mech (still a sizeable chunk of money for that lot!)0 -
The rings are different apparently, regardless of whether the old ones can actually be used on 11 speed or not.
For example the new front mech is supposed to allow the full range on the rear cassette without rubbing in either ring.
My guess is that mixing stuff just won't quite be perfect, which after all is what Record level stuff is all about!0 -
They might be different - doesn't mean the old ones don't work! Depends on your definition of perfect I guess - the reports I'm seeing suggest 10-speed stuff works just as well with 11-speed as it did with 10, it's just that the 11-speed stuff is some unquantifiable amount better. Can't say I ever have issues with trimming the front mech with 10 - occasionally I remember to, but mostly I forget due to a lack of obvious noise - it's feasible that the narrower chain with a 10-speed front mech will give the extra clearance needed anyway, and that's actually where this benefit has come from!
Presumably though perfection also involves having the right logos, as that's the only apparent difference between Chorus and Record Ergos you get for the £30 odd difference in price.0 -
Oh in some respects I agree. For example this years Record brakes are exactly the same as last years.
No the levers aren't quite the same...due to the different logo, there is also 1 a gram difference in weight0