1st Hardtail, advice please...

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  • Too low spec/cheap for the hardcore trailer?! Ok, i appreciate that :wink:

    Im just going to have to do it the old fashioned way and hit and hope :lol:
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Nah, not everyone is as sad as me and knows the specs off by heart ;-)

    Buy what you think feels best, and not the Hardrock.
  • I cant find a Scott to ride anywhere near me :( the Merida dealer nearby only has the SUB-40 D (same frame at least, but diff spec) and the Amasa is in stock at Evans.
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  • Another vote for the SUB-50 D :D woooooo!
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  • And just been told by a Merida dealer that they are no longer doing the 50-D??? The new models (due to rising metal and delivery costs) will be about £150 more expensive?! :shock: Surely we've not seen that much of a price hike in the 09 spec bikes?!? He did try sell me a 60-D instead though, maybe it was a sales ploy :roll:
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    It may be a different spec though.
  • supersonic wrote:
    It may be a different spec though.
    The 50-D? He was saying that all bikes he was selling were going up in price???

    What's your opinion on the Mongoose frame Super?
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Mongoose frame is tough, but a bit heavy.

    Most bikes are going up a bit.
  • Know much about the Merida's? I know they make Specialized frames and are all Hyro formed. They seem to have good spec, but dont want to buy one online without trying first...but no-one stocks them! :roll:
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  • supersonic
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    The ones they produce under their own name tend to be quite steep angled 'euro style' xc race affairs.
  • This is the one I want...

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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    You can see the XC influence.

    That fork could be dodgy though.
  • The official line is that they are RST Gila ML 90 with Lockout, any good? The wesites I found with that one were mostly in foreign languages!
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Usually a nasty fork, with a harsh top out and a rebound like a freshly fired bullet.
  • Oh :(
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    But some are ok, or have been in the past.

    You are waiting for me to tell you what to buy, aren't you?!!

    I'm not going to do it, nerr nerr!
  • :lol: not quite, but the info you've given has been awesome. I'd have made a wrong decision by now if it weren't for you lads here :D
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  • Question about frame for you tech-heads...

    Hydroforming, does that make it lighter? Essentially it's still 6061 alloy, but what makes the difference when it comes to frames?
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  • Thanks for the extra votes lads and lasses, but doesn't make my decision any easier as the only bike I can get a ride on is the Mongoose!
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  • supersonic
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    Oh, hydroforming: allows lots of funny shaped tubes which can be to a structural advantage. Also the process strengthens the tube by compacting the grain structure of the metal.
  • So the weight is more down to the size of the frame and the components?
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  • supersonic
    supersonic Posts: 82,708
    Its a combination. Most budget hardtail frames weigh between 4 and 5.5lbs. Larger frames are a little heavier.
  • Im only looking at about a 17" frame so hopefully not too chunky/heavy.
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  • Ok, just so you know, and thanks to all for the advice and assistance with my questions :roll: I went for a Felt Q720 :lol: the Evans assistant was brilliant, helpful and honest. I went in with a budget of £400 but the decent all round spec of the Felt, and the fact that it was recently £550 but reduced to £450 this week, sold it to me! Got a 1st service free and pair of Specialized gloves thrown in, so dont feel that ive spent much over budget after all :wink:

    VERY pleased with the feel of the ride. Did try the Amasa whilst there but the geometery was all wrong, decent spec but only if you're a wierd shape and ride bolt upright! Tried the rock shox out on the local nature reserve trails already and passed with flying colours...more tests to follow :wink:
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  • ive just got myself a Giant xtc4.5 for 499ish. Good bike, hydro disc brakes, rock shock front fork and lightweight frame. Took it for a ride yesterday and was very pleased.
  • Opinions gentlemen?

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  • Rich9
    Rich9 Posts: 1,635
    A bit late in this thread, but..... You got good deal there Rev. The Felt seems a pretty good bike. it was on my short list.
    I've just gone for a Cube Acid. Shop wouldnt budge on price but got crud catcher and computer thrown in.
    Put a deposit down to secure it as they only had 2 left. Now all I've got to do is find another £400 :?
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  • After a first spin out in the local trails, mudguards might be an idea, those tyres really do dig in and chuck some mud/grass up! Yours good?
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  • Rich9
    Rich9 Posts: 1,635
    All I can say is...its nice to look at. Its still at the shop until i come up with the dough for it! :cry:

    link to page
    http://www.cube-bikes.de/xist4c/web/ACID_id_21021_.htm
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  • Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice 8)

    I meant the mudguards any good, buy if you dont have the bike yet no point asking :lol:
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