Running as training for cycling
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Mike Willcox wrote:Worlds strongest man v Marathon Runner in a running race. So I've proved in my own words that strength is NOT a limiting factor by ridiculing your pathetic suggestion that anyone would question that the marathon runner would be a better runner. PLEASE!!!.
no Mike, what I said wasMatchstick Man wrote:[ I could probably out bench press a lot of elite marathon runners but they'd kick my harris when running as they have better CV fitness and are more efficient.
I call myself matchstick man because i've got a very slim build. I said NOTHING about the Worlds strongest Man vs a marathon runner in a running race. Please don't put words in other people's mouths Mike.
My point is that even though I could out bench press a marathon runner they would still beat me in a running race as strength is not a limiting factor in endurance sport.0 -
You guys
I wouldn't underestimate the strength of an elite marathon runner. Especially power-to-weight. And how did we get onto upper-body strength when talking about running? Do you think you could out squat an elite marathon runner?0 -
Matchstick Man wrote:My point is that even though I could out bench press a marathon runner they would still beat me in a running race as strength is not a limiting factor in endurance sport.
AAAARRRGGGHHHHH!!!!
No one ever said it was. The word "limiting " is one that you introduced not me
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"On the other hand there are those who say that it's ALL about CV fitness and you don't need strength."
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Let me ask you a simple question. Yes or No?
Do you think that strength is a factor (note: not a limiting factor) in riding a bike or is it ALL about CV fitness?0 -
BlackHelmet wrote:You guys
I wouldn't underestimate the strength of an elite marathon runner. Especially power-to-weight. And how did we get onto upper-body strength when talking about running? Do you think you could out squat an elite marathon runner?
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Mike Willcox wrote:[Let me ask you a simple question. Yes or No?
Do you think that strength is a factor (note: not a limiting factor) in riding a bike or is it ALL about CV fitness?
No, I don't think strength is a factor in riding a bike, it is all primarily about CV fitness.0 -
even in this wind today?i ached all over when i came back from fighting mother nature0
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alzeb wrote:even in this wind today?i ached all over when i came back from fighting mother nature
poor fitness or poor position0 -
Matchstick Man wrote:alzeb wrote:even in this wind today?i ached all over when i came back from fighting mother nature
poor fitness or poor position
Anything but conflict with your theory eh?0 -
40mph wind gusts.;sleet...........0
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Mike Willcox wrote:Anything but conflict with your theory eh?
Yes mike :roll: I am taking your approach to this message board. Hang on.....
*sticks fingers in ears* I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE ALL WRONG LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA0 -
I have got to say that I think strength has its place. For example I'm a relatively fit bloke I can run 10 miles in an hour which for running is reasonable and I bike also, many people who are not as CV fit as me can still out climb me on the bike and that is not theory its fact.0
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Matchstick Man wrote:Mike Willcox wrote:Anything but conflict with your theory eh?
Yes mike :roll: I am taking your approach to this message board. Hang on.....
*sticks fingers in ears* I AM RIGHT, YOU ARE ALL WRONG LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA
WTF
Lowry would be proud of you. 0 -
Now boys, you play nice. Don't make me come over there and start another revolution.
I know. I should not be talking about nice.
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I am amazed after 3 pages no one has mentioned muscle memory.
Good CV base is essential but a large part of being a good runner/cyclist is about muscle memory. Unfortunately you only get this by spending lots of time doing your chosen sport.0 -
I find myself in the same situation and am pondering including running into my schedule. I am doing the Fred Whitton Challengeand so far have managed no more than 50 mins on my bike at any one time. I plan(and have been using) a turbo trainer a few times a week for no more than 1 hour and slowly going to up the long cycle at the weekends to 120 miles over the next 9 weeks or so. 40,50,60,70,etc
I work 5 miles away from my house and wonder whether it would be of more benefit to run home a few nights than to take my bike in/out of work a few nights on top of what I have mentioned.
I did the bealach na ba last year and came in the top third. For my first cycle event I was pretty pleased with this. HOWEVER I didn't go on my bike for 4 months after it. Not that it put me of (the opposite )in fact but more a case of that I knew I would be raring to get back into it after a long period of.
My question would also be. Has this lay of put me back to square one after doing some decent training prior to the Bealach last year.
What a year I have to look forward to: Galasheils Audax, Fred Whitton, Islay Gran Fondo and Bealach Na Ba.
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I'd say if you did no training for 4 months then your fitness levels would be back to pre-training levels.
Before considering a run commute - you may want to look at extending your cycle commute home 2 or 3 times a week. This could be a longer route or add some short circuits to your existing route. And if you cycle to work then run home you'll need to work out how to get to work the next morning...
Though I'd guess that some running now will only do you good and will add some variety to your week.
All the best.0 -
I was wondering the same as OP. I am training for Mallorca so i dont die on the climbs and can enjoy views. I extended my communte from work but thinking about doing 2x20 runs twice a week instead of a longer ride, jsut to get stamina up and shred off few extra KG.
Would it be a good idea or simply stick to extended commute. Its a bit limited since gets dark quite early, so i thought stick in few runs until it gets brighter and i can go for 2 hour rides after work.0 -
In my (limited) experience the two don't really crossover but that might just be me.
That said I've started running a bit lately to try and shed some weight - that'll make more of a difference I think.Advocate of disc brakes.0 -
It crosses over for me. Not sure if thats because I came from football before stopping and then cycling instead but I can go out and do an 18min 5k with no running for months. As long as you can run ok with no injuries you can translate it to running. At the opposite end of the spectrum the long rides help the endurance on long runs too in my experience.0
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Did anybody else miss the eight-year-old thread revival..??0
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Imposter wrote:Did anybody else miss the eight-year-old thread revival..??
ah yes BUT that means the OP used the search function.... something i think you ve asked posters to use before
i run up to xmas or maybe mid jan but after that, cycling or turbo only, if its late and dark, 2 hours on Turbo is a much better use of time, for the 321, you need to be riding your bike...alot!0 -
since it is eight years old, no point in disputing 'muscle memory' quoteRaleigh RX 2.0
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Mikey joe wrote:Hello
I'm training for some rides this summer an "undulating" 140miler and the Bealach na Ba. We're having a baby soon so my free time is going to become limited. I can commute to work (17 mile round trip) but that's not really enough. While I hope to get some longer trips at the weekends I'm unlikely to have the time or energy to get out after work when the evenings are longer.
I've been trying to find ways to improove my fitness especially my leg strength for thwe hills, so I've started running at lunchtime, Initally I have a 2.5 mile loop that takes me 20 minutes with a hill finish.
Will this be benenfical for my bike riding?
Has anyone got any sugggestions as how to squeeze the most out of limited time to train??
Cheers
Mj
Cycling is great cross training for runners, BUT running isn't great cross training for dedicated cyclists. If you spend several training blocks running, your muscles will adapt to it by becoming more elastic which also means losing range of motion. When you get back on the bike, your cranks will feel too long and it will be more uncomfortable to ride aerodynamically. It's better to do something low impact that uses the muscles differently, but also improves bone density. I wrote a post about this if you'd lIke to learn more.
http://www.eatsleeptrainsmart.com/2016/ ... g.html?m=10 -
EatSleepTrainSmart wrote:Cycling is great cross training for runners, BUT running isn't great cross training for dedicated cyclists. If you spend several training blocks running, your muscles will adapt to it by becoming more elastic which also means losing range of motion. When you get back on the bike, your cranks will feel too long and it will be more uncomfortable to ride aerodynamically. It's better to do something low impact that uses the muscles differently, but also improves bone density. I wrote a post about this if you'd lIke to learn more.
http://www.eatsleeptrainsmart.com/2016/ ... g.html?m=1
Just been looking through your site. I see a lot of claims being made, but I don't see a lot of evidence in support. In fact, I don't see any. Lots of equations and graphs that masquerade as 'science', with no obvious references to support it. Have I missed it, or is it not there?0 -
homers double wrote:In my (limited) experience the two don't really crossover but that might just be me.
That said I've started running a bit lately to try and shed some weight - that'll make more of a difference I think.
Weight makes a massive difference.
For me I run quite a bit in the winter (as I can fit a reasonable workout into lunch break and also get to see daylight). The issue with most cyclists is we only go running if there is not enough time to go cycling (certainly true for me). This usually means we end up running short distances at full pace and at quite a high HR (I do anyway), which isn't that comparable to cycling in terms of impact. I find that longer slower runs feel a lot more comparable to cycling in terms of CV effort.
My opinion only, YMMV.
At the end of the day though it's a fundamentally different sport and the best training for cycling is always going to be cycling.0 -
On a not unrelated note I do triathlons and came to it from being purely a cyclist. I don't find the swimming or the running help really at all with the cycling. In fact, they actually detract somewhat as instead of recovering from harder rides, I am actually forced to go for a run or swim so that I don't fall behind in any particular discipline.
Consequently I am also usually somewhat more fatigued when it comes to a hard training ride so I can't usually put quite so much into that. When I was just cycling it was much easier to organise my training and recovery regime.
If you want to be a better cyclist, just cycle but overall any exercise is better than none I guess.0
