New Frame Arrived! - and now another one! - and again!!
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gkerr4 wrote:shame I cut it too short - damned thing - mind it seems to shift ok - pretty good in fact - think I should change it??
You could get another one of those speed links (?) and add a bit of the chain you cut off. I think they are about £4 for another speed link.0 -
its lush! Looks exactly like my specialized Tarmac I built up and just recently sold
Now missing it a great deal but looking for a new project for the charity season.
Inspired by this thread - I know the groupset will be record, wheels will be Either Mavic R Sys or Ksyrium premiums bars will be cinelli rams the only thing missing from the build is the frame! Can't decide a starting point...
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gkerr4 wrote:
Hope you get sorted out with the zondas from wiggle.
Pleased with Wiggle, arrived this morning along with several packets of wine gums
Initial thoughts are they are bloody light, don't fancy getting my fingers in the spokes though, like razors :?0 -
Good old Wiggle. They never let you down. Well, not me anyway.0
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Mines done by the way. Did it on Saturday without any major hitches or missing parts. Watch this space for the pics and a link to the video...although that didn't work out so great as it was a bit gloomy in the workshop so the pics came out a bit dark.0
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Ditto on Wiggle and the free jellies
gkerr, What ratio is your cassette? Looks very low to me. Is that a compact chainset or a normal. Sorry if this has been covered already.
Oh yeah... the bike looks super swish by the way 8)Every winner has scars.0 -
Graham,
What length Presta Valve have you used ? I fitted the Zondas last night with standard tubes and really struggled ! I'm guessing I need the longer ones ( sods law, I have a box of standard length ones )
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i think they are the 42mm ones - continental. My wife picked them up from ribble as she works near by - i asked her to get some that would fit the Eurus wheels and she came home with these - they are the short conti ones - i didn't think they would be long enough - but they work out just fine..
does anyone think my chain looks too short?
I ended up making a stupid error (i had just had a call from the estate agents to say that someone wanted to view my house - in an hour and a half and I had tools and crap all over the conservatory!!) and cut the chain at the point which I thought was the right length - only to realise that I had cut it to reveal the two outer plates when I actually needed the inner plates in order to use the KMC joining link. so had to take another one off to get to the inner plates (if that makes sense)
on big chainring / small sprocket the rear mech hangs vertical - but on the big chainring / bog sprocket it is rather past the 45deg mark - more like 35deg!!
it seems to shift ok though - am I likely to damage anything by leaving it on?0 -
Hi there.
Graham - you need to get yerself something to protect that nice paint job from cable rub. If you could get transparent stickers that would probably be best.
Cheers, Andy0 -
I have a khs gold on mine,once you've lubed that chain a few times,the gold seems to dissapear 0
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ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!!!!
bloody hell - just realised that the frame does not have enough clearance for a 13tooth small sprocket!
why the scream - well - guess how I found this out..
dammit - on assembly it looked fine - but on the turbo trainer tonight there is a section on the training DVD where you go to pick your highest gear for a 30-second sprint - 10 seconds in I think - Hmm - bit of a funny noise that - look down at rear mech - hmm - seems to be a bit of deflection.....on NO!!
stop and get off - but th chain has scraped into the laquer. I don't think it is anything to worry about frame wise, but its very very annoying.
and I'll need to get a new cassette with a 12-tooth inner.
anyway - andrew - the headtube has little clear paint protector stickers - they are just so clear you can't even see them!0 -
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redddraggon wrote:Seems a bit wierd that it can't take a 13-sprocket, it's a Roubaix not a Tarmac.
Has it done much damage?
don't think it's too bad - just ripped into the lacquer and crinkled it below. you can feel it with your fingernail, but it must be, like, microns deep.
here's a pic but the flash photography makes it look worse than it does in the flesh so to speak.
annoying - as you say - it's a roubaix, not a tarmac - you'd expect them to think that people might want lower gearing on a sportive biased bike. There's no mention of maximum lowest gear size in the frame instructions - campag have made the 13-26 / 13-29 for years - I didn't think it would be a problem (they do a 14-23 in veloce!!)
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it's much less than the rough-as-a-badgers countersinking on that drop-out screw!!!0
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anyone any thoughts on the damage I have caused to the frame - should I be concerned?0
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gkerr4 wrote:should I be concerned?
I would be if I'd spent a grand on a frame that can't take a 13sprocket! I bet your still a bit p!ssed off.
If it's only damaged the top layer/laquer it should be fine. It doesn't look too bad on the picture, just make you check it regularly to see if anythings happening - although I'd imagine it'll fail catastrophically (technical term) and not give you much warning.0 -
yes - I am well p!ssed off with that - I have written to Specialized UK to see if the frame is intended to accept a 13tooth sprocket or not - I can't believe can't!!
I think that the damage is pretty cosmetic - just the lacquer really, but still annoying..0 -
Have been following both your bike building exploits over the last couple of weeks (with a certain amount of envy I must admit) . Nice bikes the pair of them . It does seem pretty odd if your frame can't take a 13 tooth sprocket ....I never realised that such a thing could be an issue . If it is then don't Campag do a 12-25 ? Hope the damage is as superficial as it looks from the pics . If it is just a scratch I wouldn't get too hung up about it . ......I'm sure you'll soon forget about a little scratch when you're out there enjoying riding the bike . Once you start getting the miles in you'll no doubt get little stone chips here and there anyway .Luke0
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yep - bought the 12-25 so I now have a 12-26 cassette on the bike. To be honest there isn't a lot of clearance with this either - you can see light through it but it's bloody tight! - what should I expect clearance wise on a frame like this? any ideas?
also - anyone want to buy a rather unique 13-25 cassette?? :-)0 -
Maybe because it's the S works version it is slightly less suited to a 13 tooth?
But still it's a bit off, there should be some warning really!
Nice build though
Just a bit shocked by Specialized, especially as they're an American brand (I think?) and the happy law suit society over there to the extent everything has warning labels. 0 -
I was worried about this too when I got my new Fulcrum R3's as I though the clearance between the last (12 tooth) sprocket and the frame was too close for comfort. I brought the bike to the shop where I bought the wheels thinking that the dish could be out. Fortunately the Fulcrum rep was in the shop at time and had a quick gander. Nope everything was as it should be and he and the shop dude showed me other bikes in the shop with similar clearance. I now think that these machines are precise mechanical instruments nowadays and a hairs breath clearance is ok provided everything else is precise.Every winner has scars.0
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This does sound odd - have you double-checked the cassette is mounted properly - all spacers in the right places and size markings facing outward? No superflous spacer fitted intended for Mavic cassettes or anything like that?
Unless I'm being thick can't see that wheel dish being out would make a difference, as that would affect centreing of the rim not position of the freehub, but having the axle wrongly installed with the spacer-locknut sequence out might be the problem. You wouldn't have stripped and reinstalled the wheel bearings on a new build presumably?
Thinking about it, the funny spoking pattern and asymetric drilling on the Eurus is claimed in the maketing blurb to reduce wheel dish - maybe that pushes the cassette further over than standard, i.e flanges designed farther apart? It might be worth mentioning to Specialized or Camag themselves - I'm sure someone will have found out already if there is an embarrassing compatibility issue..
The damage only looks superficial, but it's difficult to tell from piccies. Bad luck anyway, it must be very irritating!0 -
robbarker wrote:Unless I'm being thick can't see that wheel dish being out would make a difference,
You're right Rob. The hub is one length and the he hub spoke holes don't move regardless of the dish of the wheel. An uneven dish would just mean a misalignment of the wheel rim not bring the cassette closer to the frame.
I think the frame in question wasn't designed for a 13 toot sprocket.Every winner has scars.0 -
While it's bad luck, the damage only looks superficial. I'd be very surprised if it affected the integrity of the frame.
I'd just dab it with some black Humbrol paint - you'd never be able to tell.0 -
thanks for the feedback guys - I think Nuggs is right - the frame doesn't appear to be designed for a 13-tooth cassette - either that (which is odd) or there is something amiss in the moulding of my particular one.
I have emailed specialized UK customer services and interestingly they have replied asking for my contact phone number so I'll keep this forum posted.0 -
I imagine not possible with modern wheels, but simply moving hub to left by swopping spacing(s) and re-dishing used to be easiest solution. But yes frame and wheel suppliers SHOULD state sprocket size compatability!d.j.
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OK - so digging this thread back out - a lot has happened since I put forward my dismay at the 13-tooth sprocket fouling the frame...
I wrote an email to specialized UK - just though the 'contact us' section on the website. basically I asked if the frame was really not designed to accept a 13-tooth cassette or could there be something amiss in the moulding of my particular frame. I also asked that if it was the former then why was this the case on the roubaix model when I would have thought it obvious that people are going to put lower gearing on it than say the Tarmac model..
I didn't really ask for anything as such - it was more of a moan than anything else - and I figured I would get fobbed off with a std corporate response.
they responded the next day to request my phone number and I received a phone call the next evening from the customer service manager in the UK. he said he had good news and bad news for me - the bad news was that they had checked with specailized in the US and found that the frame was not made to accept a 13-tooth cassette - so my choice of gearing would not work in the frame. The good news, he said, is that they feel they should have made it clear on the instructions that it wouldn't accept this gear, that they were sorry I had damaged the frame in this way and that they would like to replace the frame for me!
and if id' like to pick a size and colour they would like to send me a new top-of-the-range "2D" helmet as a gesture of goodwill!!
excellent - i thought! - i picked a medium in the silver colour, emailed them and it arrived the next day! (it's an excellent helmet by the way!)
so i stripped the frame off and they arranged for it to be collected by courier - which it did. I then emailed them to make sure that they could still source a 2007 model frame. i got an email back in minutes to day that it might be difficult - would I perhaps accept a blue gerolsteiner one?? - I got an email about an hour later to say that they couldn't track down a 2007 model at all and could I take a 2008 one.
So now I have a new 2008 model s-works roubaix, with a new helmet for my trouble. I still can't fit the 13-26 cassette but I have a 12-26 in place which seems fine. I have to say that the 2008 colors look better build than on the web and now i've built it up i much prefer the new model colourscheme.
anyway - I am really very impressed with specialised - i really didn't expect to get the frame swapped and it's not something I was specifically looking for when i emailled them - but they have done it and for that I think they deserve a mention for top customer service - and here's the new bike....
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Now that's what I call customer service........ fantastic
Bike looks fantastic in those colours...... 8)0 -
Looks great in those colours. I just picked your original bike's twin brother from Sigma today - maybe I should stick a 13 on mine too and see how I get on !
But joking aside, that is impressive customer service.0
