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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Robert88 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:19 pm

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Surrey Commuter » Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:29 pm

so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Pross » Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:38 pm

Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Pross » Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:39 pm

Surrey Commuter wrote:so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?


Maybe he'll send someone on his behalf so he can then say he refused to go. Can Parliament send someone else if he refuses?

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby rjsterry » Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:41 pm

Surrey Commuter wrote:so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?


When is he not lying? Does he even know himself?
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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby TailWindHome » Fri Sep 06, 2019 16:46 pm

Interesting
Huge surge in voter registration in NI skewed towards younger voters

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-495 ... toryNearly
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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby bianchimoon » Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:01 pm

rjsterry wrote:
Surrey Commuter wrote:so when BoJo says he will refuse to go to Brussels to ask for an extension do we just assume that he is lying?


When is he not lying? Does he even know himself?

It's not lying these days... it's alternative truth :wink:
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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Coopster the 1st » Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:15 pm

Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.


You lot won't listen so I'm not going to waste my time educating you.

As you can see by their refusal, remainers are scared of putting their approach of extending Brexit to the electorate. As with this forum, Parliament are also out of touch with the country.

ps I've not voted, as I am sure is the case with many other leavers, as it's more fun for the silent majority to burst your bubble again and again.
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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Pross » Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:29 pm

Coopster the 1st wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.


You lot won't listen so I'm not going to waste my time educating you.

As you can see by their refusal, remainers are scared of putting their approach of extending Brexit to the electorate. As with this forum, Parliament are also out of touch with the country.

ps I've not voted, as I am sure is the case with many other leavers, as it's more fun for the silent majority to burst your bubble again and again.


Struggling to see how any of that drivel answers the question I asked other than the PS which has nothing to really support it. By the way, it's worth a look at the IPSOS poll breaking down the vote by demographic if you haven't done so already especially the education, earnings and work sections. You seem to fit into it quite well.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby morstar » Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:33 pm

Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
There may be an element of generalisation in there.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby orraloon » Fri Sep 06, 2019 17:38 pm

morstar wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
There may be an element of generalisation in there.

The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby morstar » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:00 pm

orraloon wrote:
morstar wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
There may be an element of generalisation in there.

The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.

Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby bompington » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:05 pm

morstar wrote:This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.

Perhaps, errrr.... it's because there isn't one?

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby verylonglegs » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:15 pm

morstar wrote:
orraloon wrote:
morstar wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
There may be an element of generalisation in there.

The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.

Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.


That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby morstar » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:32 pm

verylonglegs wrote:
morstar wrote:
orraloon wrote:
morstar wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
There may be an element of generalisation in there.

The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.

Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.


That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.

Bizarrely, one of the QT audience who was strongly leave had a very strong accent from seemingly eastern Europe. I was intrigued what her story was. Most likely trophy wife but she was definitely a conundrum.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Pross » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:36 pm

morstar wrote:
verylonglegs wrote:
morstar wrote:
orraloon wrote:
morstar wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
There may be an element of generalisation in there.

The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.

Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.


That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.

Bizarrely, one of the QT audience who was strongly leave had a very strong accent from seemingly eastern Europe. I was intrigued what her story was. Most likely trophy wife but she was definitely a conundrum.


As someone I know (used to be on this forum years ago) said even QT is getting hacked by Russian trolls now. That said, my cousin's Polish born wife is massively pro Brexit.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby verylonglegs » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:47 pm

Pross wrote:
morstar wrote:
verylonglegs wrote:
morstar wrote:
orraloon wrote:
morstar wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.

As it is a cycling based forum and exercise is proven to benefit mental health, we are disproportionately well hinged.
The passive masses are disproportionately not well hinged which clearly manifests itself in blame and xenophobia.
There may be an element of generalisation in there.

The forum demographic by its nature is skewed towards those who can read, write and, in some but not all cases, put forward coherent thoughts. Compared to the average Sun 'reader' as in look at the pictures and grunt.... perhaps not representative of the country as a whole.

Coherent is key thing. The coherent economic argument for Brexit only benefits a small minority.
This is my big frustration with Brexit, the total lack of a coherent argument for the benefits of Brexit from it's supporters.


That's because none of them really believe it. They just don't like foreigners, be it the ones who have moved to our shores or the fact there is any political involvement with any outsiders. They are just not airing their narrow-minded views openly.

Bizarrely, one of the QT audience who was strongly leave had a very strong accent from seemingly eastern Europe. I was intrigued what her story was. Most likely trophy wife but she was definitely a conundrum.


As someone I know (used to be on this forum years ago) said even QT is getting hacked by Russian trolls now. That said, my cousin's Polish born wife is massively pro Brexit.


Bizarre to want to walk away from the mechanism that allowed you to settle here.

We had some guy from Singapore here for a couple of weeks training a while back. Was chatting to him and he said the taxi driver from the airport didn't waste much time telling him this country had been ruined by immigrants, mainly from eastern Europe. Not an usual thing to hear you might think unfortunately but then the odd bit was the taxi driver then said he was from Turkey himself and moved here 20yrs ago.

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby DrHaggis » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:51 pm

But Turkey is more Western Asia than Eastern Europe (provided he wasn't from Istambul...)!

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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Jez mon » Fri Sep 06, 2019 18:55 pm

Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.


Very broad strokes here, but I think that people who are more politically involved, i.e, are happy to spend thousands of pages on a forum chatting about it, tend to lean towards remain/reluctant remain.

I think if you put a list of pros and cons together, you see there are some pretty significant cons to EU membership, but that the alternative doesn't necessarily come out any better.
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Re: BREXIT - End Game?

Postby Stevo 666 » Fri Sep 06, 2019 19:06 pm

Jez mon wrote:
Pross wrote:Looking at the poll that mfin has recently put up, does anyone have any theories on why this forum is so vehemently pro remain? Even allowing for the likely demographic the imbalance is hugely out-of-kilter, assuming we are predominantly men between 35 and 54 years old then for the country as a whole in the referendum the vote went 56% in favour of leave. I think we have a reasonably representative geographic spread, we're mainly employed full time I think (53% remain) and probably AB or C1 social grade (slightly favouring remain). There also seems to be a fairly wide spread of political views on other subjects from centre right / free market over to fairly socialist.


Very broad strokes here, but I think that people who are more politically involved, i.e, are happy to spend thousands of pages on a forum chatting about it, tend to lean towards remain/reluctant remain.

I think if you put a list of pros and cons together, you see there are some pretty significant cons to EU membership, but that the alternative doesn't necessarily come out any better.

Very well put Jez.
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