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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby TailWindHome » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:48 am

Won't someone please think of Nigel Farage's children.
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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby Slowbike » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:53 am

TailWindHome wrote:Won't someone please think of Nigel Farage's children.

He has kids?

Poor things ... can they get their name changed or put themselves up for adoption?

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby briantrumpet » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:09 pm

Slowbike wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:Won't someone please think of Nigel Farage's children.

He has kids?

Poor things ... can they get their name changed or put themselves up for adoption?

They're the ones with dual nationality... yup, they are EU citizens, thanks to their German mother.

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby Shirley Basso » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:18 pm

But didn't we win 2 world wars etc etc.....

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby darkhairedlord » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:30 pm

briantrumpet wrote:
Slowbike wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:Won't someone please think of Nigel Farage's children.

He has kids?

Poor things ... can they get their name changed or put themselves up for adoption?

They're the ones with dual nationality... yup, they are EU citizens, thanks to their German mother.

Good luck visiting the kids when then refuse visa.

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby Fenix » Wed Oct 09, 2019 12:38 pm

darkhairedlord wrote:
briantrumpet wrote:
Slowbike wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:Won't someone please think of Nigel Farage's children.

He has kids?

Poor things ... can they get their name changed or put themselves up for adoption?

They're the ones with dual nationality... yup, they are EU citizens, thanks to their German mother.

Good luck visiting the kids when then refuse visa.


Lucky Kids.

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby Daniel B » Wed Oct 09, 2019 13:31 pm

briantrumpet wrote:
Slowbike wrote:
TailWindHome wrote:Won't someone please think of Nigel Farage's children.

He has kids?

Poor things ... can they get their name changed or put themselves up for adoption?

They're the ones with dual nationality... yup, they are EU citizens, thanks to their German mother.


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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby TheBigBean » Wed Oct 09, 2019 14:12 pm

This is an interesting proposal by a former advisor.

https://www.politico.eu/article/opinion ... otiations/

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Postby rjsterry » Wed Oct 09, 2019 15:08 pm

TheBigBean wrote:This is an interesting proposal by a former advisor.

https://www.politico.eu/article/opinion ... otiations/


Interesting. I heard someone else talking about two Customs Unions the other day, so a few people are thinking similar things. Also needs Johnson to be interested in getting a deal, of which I am far from convinced. Judging by the Buzzfeed report I saw trailed, there is debate within no. 10 as to whether Leaving is the goal or a 5 year term.
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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby rjsterry » Wed Oct 09, 2019 15:13 pm

Rowena Mason
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Damian Green, leader of the One Nation caucus of MPs, says Boris Johnson told him at meeting:
- he will not go into election promising no deal Brexit
- he will not make a pact with Nigel Farage.
"We looked each other in the eye. I accept and believe the reassurances," says Green

October 9, 2019


Perhaps this should be in the intriguing thread, but what makes people think that just looking someone in the eye allows you to determine whether they are lying? Especially someone so practised in the art.
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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby TheBigBean » Wed Oct 09, 2019 15:34 pm

rjsterry wrote:
TheBigBean wrote:This is an interesting proposal by a former advisor.

https://www.politico.eu/article/opinion ... otiations/


Interesting. I heard someone else talking about two Customs Unions the other day, so a few people are thinking similar things. Also needs Johnson to be interested in getting a deal, of which I am far from convinced. Judging by the Buzzfeed report I saw trailed, there is debate within no. 10 as to whether Leaving is the goal or a 5 year term.


It needs all parties to be interested in getting a deal - note it also requires compromise from Ireland. For what it is worth, I think Boris would like a 5 year term and widespread adulation, and he thinks the best way to achieve this is getting a good deal with the EU.

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby silvers » Wed Oct 09, 2019 16:14 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:I'd be surprised if the kids who I saw do that had reformed their opinions much since being a kid.

Generally I think the mentality in the leave poster is a lot more widespread that people care to admit. If you look at general brexiteer chat, which is not exclusive to a bunch of politicians or talking heads, it's a fairly logical step to the leave poster.


First hand experience myself - My mother was German (actively looking to get her citizenship back now in her eighties). I also went to a school with c. 50% Jewish pupils. As a group I think we were pretty tame .... gentle insults and tribes were mainly yiddos and yoks.

As well as riding road bikes I'm also a coarse angler. I participate in a fishing forum where the casual xenophobia would shock most on here. The people on there make Coopster look like the epitome of rational thought. it is an indictment of education levels in this country in the 70s and 80s - as most of these people I'm referring to are my age or older.

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Postby PBlakeney » Wed Oct 09, 2019 16:51 pm

Not so much education, casual racism was rife in the 70s. B&W Minstrels, Love Thy Neighbour... No attempt to justify it, but it was different times.
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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby rjsterry » Wed Oct 09, 2019 17:17 pm

TheBigBean wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
TheBigBean wrote:This is an interesting proposal by a former advisor.

https://www.politico.eu/article/opinion ... otiations/


Interesting. I heard someone else talking about two Customs Unions the other day, so a few people are thinking similar things. Also needs Johnson to be interested in getting a deal, of which I am far from convinced. Judging by the Buzzfeed report I saw trailed, there is debate within no. 10 as to whether Leaving is the goal or a 5 year term.


It needs all parties to be interested in getting a deal - note it also requires compromise from Ireland. For what it is worth, I think Boris would like a 5 year term and widespread adulation, and he thinks the best way to achieve this is getting a good deal with the EU.

Trouble is he's hired someone who wants to leave the EU and thinks Johnson as PM is the best way to achieve this.
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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby PhilipPirrip » Wed Oct 09, 2019 17:42 pm

PBlakeney wrote:Not so much education, casual racism was rife in the 70s. B&W Minstrels, Love Thy Neighbour... No attempt to justify it, but it was different times.

Even with its overt language Love Thy Neighbour set out to highlight the stupidity of racism and discrimination much like Til Death Us Do Part but its brutal nature means it attracted an undesired audience and is remembered for all the wrong reasons.

I'd probably add Mind Your Language, with its racial stereotypes, to those things people causally laughed at back then.

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby rjsterry » Wed Oct 09, 2019 18:41 pm

Rick Chasey wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Disgusting.

And designed to disgust. Peter Foster retweeted it yesterday to describe his disgust, and then realised he'd fallen for Leave.EU's tactic and was spreading their publicity as much as a supporter.


I have to say I found the surprise quite annoying.

Anyone who's been near a football match or at a normal school will know that kind of chat is common.


Take it with a wheelbarrow of salt, but it *seems* that Leave.EU have actually acknowledged that their ad was wrong.

Also it seems to have prompted some Leavers to reflect on whether it's all gone too far.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdrianYallan ... 7427404800
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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby rjsterry » Wed Oct 09, 2019 18:54 pm

A critique of Raoul Ruparel's ideas on an alternative to the backstop.

https://mobile.twitter.com/pmdfoster/st ... 0150693888
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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby PhilipPirrip » Wed Oct 09, 2019 19:02 pm

rjsterry wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Disgusting.

And designed to disgust. Peter Foster retweeted it yesterday to describe his disgust, and then realised he'd fallen for Leave.EU's tactic and was spreading their publicity as much as a supporter.


I have to say I found the surprise quite annoying.

Anyone who's been near a football match or at a normal school will know that kind of chat is common.


Take it with a wheelbarrow of salt, but it *seems* that Leave.EU have actually acknowledged that their ad was wrong.

Also it seems to have prompted some Leavers to reflect on whether it's all gone too far.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdrianYallan ... 7427404800

And the top reply to Yalland, some guy claiming the EU are making a law so we(?) can't call them names.

They just keep making up sh1t for their campaign of hate. Politics doesn't come into it.

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Postby briantrumpet » Wed Oct 09, 2019 19:29 pm

The Telegraph today is full of references to 'Clean-Break Brexit'... seems like that's being pushed hard to camouflage the absolute clusterfvck that it would entail... as if there would be anything 'clean' about it... yeah, right. Clusterfvck Brexit, more like.

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Re: BREXIT - The Lady in the Reichstag, she say 'Nein'.

Postby rjsterry » Wed Oct 09, 2019 19:43 pm

PhilipPirrip wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Rick Chasey wrote:
rjsterry wrote:
Shirley Basso wrote:Disgusting.

And designed to disgust. Peter Foster retweeted it yesterday to describe his disgust, and then realised he'd fallen for Leave.EU's tactic and was spreading their publicity as much as a supporter.


I have to say I found the surprise quite annoying.

Anyone who's been near a football match or at a normal school will know that kind of chat is common.


Take it with a wheelbarrow of salt, but it *seems* that Leave.EU have actually acknowledged that their ad was wrong.

Also it seems to have prompted some Leavers to reflect on whether it's all gone too far.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdrianYallan ... 7427404800

And the top reply to Yalland, some guy claiming the EU are making a law so we(?) can't call them names.

They just keep making up sh1t for their campaign of hate. Politics doesn't come into it.


Couldn't see that one, but interestingly quite a lot of positive comments from other Leavers.
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