Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

General bike chat that does not fit elsewhere
Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 08:22 am

Coming back from a pub lunch yesterday, using a part of the NCN. There's a section that uses a gravel track to pass a marina, skirt a creek, then enter a track through farmland passing through a large metal gate. Never had any problems with it before, only when I tried to gain access yesterday, when I tried to open the gate it wouldn't move. I looked down to find someone had placed a chain and combination padlock on it. And they really meant it too, because it was a long chain wrapped around quite a few times. What gives? Obviously, I reported it.

redvision
Posts: 2502
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 13:12 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby redvision » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:23 am

Who have you reported it to?
If it is definitely a NCN route make sure you contact Sustrans

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:27 am

Not all sections of the NCN routes are legal rights of way.

Landowners can and occasionally do shut down sections, temporarily or permanently. Happened near me when farmer decided he no longer wanted cyclists crossing about 200m on his land, resulting in a 5km section of ncn being shut.

Also, IIRC owners have to close sections of permissive path periodically to re-establish their rights to avoid it becoming an established right of way, although often they just say the path is closed on particular dates but don't enforce.

Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:29 am

redvision wrote:Who have you reported it to?
If it is definitely a NCN route make sure you contact Sustrans


Kent County Council.

Do you think that is necessary then?

Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:31 am

Mad_Malx wrote:Not all sections of the NCN routes are legal rights of way.

Landowners can and occasionally do shut down sections, temporarily or permanently. Happened near me when farmer decided he no longer wanted cyclists crossing about 200m on his land, resulting in a 5km section of ncn being shut.

Also, IIRC owners have to close sections of permissive path periodically to re-establish their rights to avoid it becoming an established right of way, although often they just say the path is closed on particular dates but don't enforce.


The section is a public bridleway.

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:33 am

If it's a official public bridleway then it cannot be chained up without applying to the local authority for a closure.

Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:40 am

It's here:

ImageUntitled by Graham West 2014, on Flickr

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:43 am

The sections running along the creek are public footpath though (short dashes) so the use of cycles is permissive.

redvision
Posts: 2502
Joined: Fri Mar 20, 2009 13:12 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby redvision » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:48 am

Bungle73 wrote:
redvision wrote:Who have you reported it to?
If it is definitely a NCN route make sure you contact Sustrans


Kent County Council.

Do you think that is necessary then?


As it looks like it's a public bridleway reporting to the local authority is the right move, however, if there are any NCN signs indicating it's part of a route then you need to let them know as well.

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:55 am


Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:58 am

Mad_Malx wrote:The sections running along the creek are public footpath though (short dashes) so the use of cycles is permissive.


What's that got to do with access to the bridleway the gate leads to?
Last edited by Bungle73 on Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:02 am, edited 1 time in total.

Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:59 am

redvision wrote:
Bungle73 wrote:
redvision wrote:Who have you reported it to?
If it is definitely a NCN route make sure you contact Sustrans


Kent County Council.

Do you think that is necessary then?


As it looks like it's a public bridleway reporting to the local authority is the right move, however, if there are any NCN signs indicating it's part of a route then you need to let them know as well.


OK, will do.

Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 09:59 am

Mad_Malx wrote:is this the same gate?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pedalpushers/26478119927


No, it's a large gate at the other end.

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:06 am

Bungle73 wrote:
Mad_Malx wrote:The sections running along the creek are public footpath though (short dashes) so the use of cycles is permissive.


What's that got to do with the bridleway the gate leads to?


You have a legal right to ride on a public bridleway. On this particular section the West to East bridleway is a dead end, so there is no legal right to pass that point on a bicycle or horse. The landowner does not have to allow you to cross the boundary.

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:11 am

Also - the orange dots shown on the map indicates that it is a permissive path.
So it appears to be a legal public footpath but a permissive cycle way.

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:12 am

Mad_Malx wrote:Also - the orange dots shown on the map indicates that it is a permissive path.
So it appears to be a legal public footpath but a permissive cycle way.



^but it should still be reported to sustrans who may try to re-establish access.

Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:32 am

By what right can the deny access to a public bridleway? And that I was on a bike is neither here nor there. The route is a Public Right of Way so should not be obstructed.

Imposter
Posts: 10364
Joined: Fri Jan 25, 2013 17:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Imposter » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:36 am

Bungle73 wrote:By what right can the deny access to a public bridleway? And that I was on a bike is neither here nor there. The route is a Public Right of Way so should not be obstructed.


The only legal way is by a TRO, but if it's a TRO then it should also be supported by signage.

User avatar
Mad_Malx
Posts: 3852
Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:17 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Mad_Malx » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:42 am

Bungle73 wrote:By what right can the deny access to a public bridleway? And that I was on a bike is neither here nor there. The route is a Public Right of Way so should not be obstructed.


Could you have passed on foot? that is your legal entitlement.

Bungle73
Posts: 731
Joined: Fri Jul 17, 2015 14:23 pm

Re: Why would anyone chain up a gate on the NCN??

Postby Bungle73 » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:49 am

Mad_Malx wrote:
Bungle73 wrote:By what right can the deny access to a public bridleway? And that I was on a bike is neither here nor there. The route is a Public Right of Way so should not be obstructed.


Could you have passed on foot? that is your legal entitlement.


Through a locked gate? Via some sort of temporal flux?


Return to “Road General”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 14 guests