Defy to TCR - mistake?

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:20 pm

This tickles my fancy too but not sure. As before, 9 months till 2021 TCR arrives and bicycle time flies.

https://www.giant-bicycles.com/gb/defy- ... pro-2-2020

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Mon Sep 09, 2019 13:39 pm

I'm fancying last years. Better get mine advertised.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby Ajkerr73 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:10 am

bendertherobot wrote:Yep. It's there that I suffer. So dead feet by the end of it. Sore ars* and back, and also some pain in the hands. It is fabulous but it takes me days to recover. And I am doing a 400k and 600k audax next year. So it's really not going to work!


Pretty much exactly what I described above.

A fun bike to ride, and probably fine for a youngster over any distance, but not a comfortable place to be on UK road surfaces over longer durations.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby cowboyjon » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:47 am

I went from a 2018 Defy advanced 1 to a TCR recently.

I have no idea how anyone could find the Defy some kind of comfy couch and the TCR an uncomfortable race bike. I found them much of a muchness in that regard really.

That being said the TCR is a better bike in every other way and although I liked my Defy (it was my first 'expensive' bike) I wouldn't swap back again for all the tea in Yorkshire.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:56 pm

cowboyjon wrote:I went from a 2018 Defy advanced 1 to a TCR recently.

I have no idea how anyone could find the Defy some kind of comfy couch and the TCR an uncomfortable race bike. I found them much of a muchness in that regard really.

That being said the TCR is a better bike in every other way and although I liked my Defy (it was my first 'expensive' bike) I wouldn't swap back again for all the tea in Yorkshire.


There is the paradox of budget and opinion.

Advanced 1 was in effect a budget bike. Which TCR did you buy ? Same level / spec / grade / OD2 steerer ?

Horses for courses. Certainly in the last few years as I ebb ever closer to 50 now only 2 years away uber stiff bikes have become a chore at times such is the terrain I ride on. Did 40 miles this morning on the TCR and very noticable on some surfaces that you bounce along rather than roll - short sleeves and was watching the vibration on my arms - with 80 psi on the front too. I am far from pro, pretty average and never been a particularly fast cyclist so for me, moving from a TCR to a Defy not a big deal.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Tue Sep 10, 2019 16:22 pm

Before I give up completely I may try:

1. Dropping the saddle very slightly;
2. The D Fuse Handlebar from the Defy https://www.h2gear.co.uk/128707/product ... lebar.aspx
3. Better bar tape, cos the TCR stuff is awful. Nice and grippy, but zero shock absorption.
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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Tue Sep 10, 2019 16:32 pm

bendertherobot wrote:Before I give up completely I may try:

1. Dropping the saddle very slightly;
2. The D Fuse Handlebar from the Defy https://www.h2gear.co.uk/128707/product ... lebar.aspx
3. Better bar tape, cos the TCR stuff is awful. Nice and grippy, but zero shock absorption.


Don't waste your money on the bars. I tried them and brought on even more road buzz due to the cheap shot peened alloy. Gave them away. If you spend the money go carbon. 'Apparently' carbon aero bars have more lateral flex so often help. Naturally you will need over drive 2.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Tue Sep 10, 2019 16:51 pm

bristolpete wrote:
bendertherobot wrote:Before I give up completely I may try:

1. Dropping the saddle very slightly;
2. The D Fuse Handlebar from the Defy https://www.h2gear.co.uk/128707/product ... lebar.aspx
3. Better bar tape, cos the TCR stuff is awful. Nice and grippy, but zero shock absorption.


Don't waste your money on the bars. I tried them and brought on even more road buzz due to the cheap shot peened alloy. Gave them away. If you spend the money go carbon. 'Apparently' carbon aero bars have more lateral flex so often help. Naturally you will need over drive 2.


Did you try the D_fuse ones though? Standard on the Defy Pro. Also, all I need is the bars surely? 31.6mm standard regardless of the OD2?
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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Tue Sep 10, 2019 17:23 pm

bendertherobot wrote:
bristolpete wrote:
bendertherobot wrote:Before I give up completely I may try:

1. Dropping the saddle very slightly;
2. The D Fuse Handlebar from the Defy https://www.h2gear.co.uk/128707/product ... lebar.aspx
3. Better bar tape, cos the TCR stuff is awful. Nice and grippy, but zero shock absorption.


Don't waste your money on the bars. I tried them and brought on even more road buzz due to the cheap shot peened alloy. Gave them away. If you spend the money go carbon. 'Apparently' carbon aero bars have more lateral flex so often help. Naturally you will need over drive 2.


Did you try the D_fuse ones though? Standard on the Defy Pro. Also, all I need is the bars surely? 31.6mm standard regardless of the OD2?


Yes I did, cheap rubbish. It made it worse. Sorry was talking about one piece carbon bars. 0D2 is the steeerer size inch and a half over inch / eighth. You can only run Giant stems or Canyon OD2 which giant also make. But yes, 31.6 bars if bar only.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Tue Sep 10, 2019 19:14 pm

Fair points. Best not mess with it if selling it.
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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Tue Sep 10, 2019 19:25 pm

According to the commentary on the Tour of Britain, the big dogs have said 2021 disc only so might make the move now too. My TCR caliper. Shame as writes off some nice wheels.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Tue Sep 10, 2019 20:11 pm

I might just get an endurace
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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Wed Sep 11, 2019 06:48 am

bendertherobot wrote:I might just get an endurace


Good call, made by Quest composites who I understand are Giant in China.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby Pilot Pete » Wed Sep 11, 2019 07:20 am

I can’t buy it that the OP cannot get comfy on the bike. I think he just needs to have it fitted correctly - judging from his lack of experience/ knowledge and the pictures he has posted he is searching through the bike fit fog just trying random changes in the hope of getting comfortable. It appears he has been sliding forwards and combining that with an incorrect reach and drop is putting too much weight on his arms/ wrists. That will fatigue you whatever bike you are riding.

Bike fitting is a process starting with the shoe/ pedal interface and then working up to the saddle height/ fore and aft to get your c of g correct and your knee bend at the bottom of the pedal stroke optimum to allow efficient delivery of power. Once that is set then you sort out the front end for reach and drop including bar/ hoods interface.

It could be that some of the stock components such as handlebars are harsher and transmit road buzz. Maybe even bar tape could affect that. Reach is a combination of stem length and handlebar dimensions - the same stem can give very different positions using different bars etc. I personally a short reach bar and shallow drop, which allows for less dramatic differences between hoods and drops positions. Riding in the drops for an extended time causes me niggles as I, just not as flexible as I once was...

I’m 52 yo, ride three different road bikes, one harsh aero, one similar geometry but less aero and a cyclocross winter bike. I am comfy on all of them and chose the harsh aero bike for a 200 miler a few months ago - sure I was tired at the end of that but not beaten up. The key is all the bikes are fitted correctly so I am comfortable.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Wed Sep 11, 2019 19:46 pm

Pilot Pete wrote:I can’t buy it that the OP cannot get comfy on the bike. I think he just needs to have it fitted correctly - judging from his lack of experience/ knowledge and the pictures he has posted he is searching through the bike fit fog just trying random changes in the hope of getting comfortable. It appears he has been sliding forwards and combining that with an incorrect reach and drop is putting too much weight on his arms/ wrists. That will fatigue you whatever bike you are riding.

Bike fitting is a process starting with the shoe/ pedal interface and then working up to the saddle height/ fore and aft to get your c of g correct and your knee bend at the bottom of the pedal stroke optimum to allow efficient delivery of power. Once that is set then you sort out the front end for reach and drop including bar/ hoods interface.

It could be that some of the stock components such as handlebars are harsher and transmit road buzz. Maybe even bar tape could affect that. Reach is a combination of stem length and handlebar dimensions - the same stem can give very different positions using different bars etc. I personally a short reach bar and shallow drop, which allows for less dramatic differences between hoods and drops positions. Riding in the drops for an extended time causes me niggles as I, just not as flexible as I once was...

I’m 52 yo, ride three different road bikes, one harsh aero, one similar geometry but less aero and a cyclocross winter bike. I am comfy on all of them and chose the harsh aero bike for a 200 miler a few months ago - sure I was tired at the end of that but not beaten up. The key is all the bikes are fitted correctly so I am comfortable.

PP


Debated to death on here and other forums. Fact is some bikes are less comfortable than others by design and what the bike is about irrespective of position. Also, fair to say what some find comfy others will not. I found the Propel an easier bike to ride than the TCR in terms of absolute stiffness, but others found the propel not ideal. Credit on the 200 miler. Certainly a goal of mine next year if I end up on a Defy. I rode 102 miles the other day as my Dad was having major surgery due to cancer and had a ride where I could have ridden double as felt in it as you say but know that a Defy may help even more. And lets face it, the speed at which most forumites ride at the bike academic.

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:53 pm

I should be shot for considering a madone, right?
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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby RoubaixMB » Fri Sep 13, 2019 13:41 pm

bendertherobot wrote:I should be shot for considering a madone, right?


For a 400km audax? Maybe?

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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Fri Sep 13, 2019 15:51 pm

There's a 600k one too mind. Does that help? :D
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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bendertherobot » Fri Sep 13, 2019 15:52 pm

BTW, I meant Domane, not Madone
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Re: Defy to TCR - mistake?

Postby bristolpete » Fri Sep 13, 2019 16:54 pm

bendertherobot wrote:BTW, I meant Domane, not Madone


Never read a bad review - only caveat is slightly heavy if you like light bikes. Would imagine they ride like a dream.


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